MURDER__SUICIDE - Event Date: 21 Feb 2020

Isaac soloman wrote: How and why does whale get away with his VERY VILE personal attacks? He should be banned. No wonder tbv loses patronage.

marble wrote: i like his posts Isaac

Max sounds like he went through a fair bit, and he chose to be peaceful.

Passing Through wrote: That's the way Isaac, preach ''be better'' by attacking someone else.

PT your are sinking faster than the Titanic , by my observations .

Have you fallen under the "better Ignored" Influence.

The events we discuss are Horrific , but a warning.

A big increase in serious attacks on women ( mainly ) domestic ( mainly ),
Is as sure as "Bob is your uncle" .    The Family unit means nothing these days, Too many evolving away from feminism , and Moral Values diminishing. . A Family Law and Legal profession that needs re structure.

Re Whale .. I've dealt with 1000's of Whale types, in my Professional career. Best ignored until they really need reducing to their true level.

oneonesit wrote: It is interesting when i hear folk ridicule old ways. Are we anymore cohesive as a society than we were say 50 years ago ? I would say we are more divided & mixed up now than we have ever been. Upward & onward !

Hasn't changed a lot oneone ..   The long predictions of 50/60 years ago failed the Scientists ,    So , with No shame they re word their predictions and send them around again.
Look at Climate change . Coal , dairy products etc --- It's all on again .
HEY ,   We are heading to financial ruin , FOR WHAT..    What we do helps nil.     . This thread supports tunneled viewing .   sack Police who don't agree with first impressions.
Open Up and see the whole picture . We learn from the past , live for today and work on a very unpredictable future.

As predicted straight after the event, pretty obvious though it was, that fraud Bettina Arndt has jumped in with comments excusing the piece of sht, "he was driven to it " 

This guy was an out and out control freak. Was he on steroids? He was in the right game. They are known to bring on depression and rage. He certainly wasn’t the right type to be on them, if he was.
The act of taking the life of his partner ( if you’re not with me, you’re nowhere) and even more so, the lives of 3 beautiful innocent children, makes him, to me, and to most in our society, one of the cruellest, most spiteful ego maniacs I’ve ever heard of.
Things aren’t going your way? Man up and deal with it, get help, get counselling, act like an adult. For whatever reasons, it’s overwhelmingly men who take this way of getting revenge. They know it’s the ultimate, never ending pain for a mother. Killing themselves and their kids. They know there is no deeper hurt, so that’s what they do.
How does society single out those people willing to go to such lengths to win, what is, in their fevered minds, the supreme contest?
The women often have a deep seated fear that their ex may do something drastic. But nothing can really be done until serious violence occurs. AVO’s aren’t worth the paper they’re written on, with someone capable of such an extreme act. Who does the woman reach out to? What can actually be done to prevent it?   Not much 🥺 you would have to literally pack up and disappear, what extreme lengths to go to, and how difficult.
Imagine the latent feeling of dread each time a potentially mentally unstable partner turns up to collect the kids for an allocated visit? What is it like until he brings them back? What a life.
No easy answers, but society need to get working on it

Is the goading per se, her online post about trying to be strong and changing her life? A rather mild statement, unless you are dealing with a maniac? Personally I don’t think that provocative at all, esp in this online day and age.
The woman had a bad marriage, they both knew it was not working. They lived together, they had a long relationship, she saw him with her, she saw him with the kids, she had come to the end of her tether, she knew him better than anyone, she desperately wanted out. She knew it wasn’t going to be easy. She went to her family and possibly close friends for help and security. No one can judge her for trying to get away, her only fault was under estimating him. Instead of running to her family for support, she should have run for the hills, and disappeared.

Sister Dot wrote: This guy was an out and out control freak. Was he on steroids? He was in the right game. They are known to bring on depression and rage. He certainly wasn’t the right type to be on them, if he was. The act of taking the life of his partner ( if you’re not with me, you’re nowhere) and even more so, the lives of 3 beautiful innocent children, makes him, to me, and to most in our society, one of the cruellest, most spiteful ego maniacs I’ve ever heard of. Things aren’t going your way? Man up and deal with it, get help, get counselling, act like an adult. For whatever reasons, it’s overwhelmingly men who take this way of getting revenge. They know it’s the ultimate, never ending pain for a mother. Killing themselves and their kids. They know there is no deeper hurt, so that’s what they do. How does society single out those people willing to go to such lengths to win, what is, in their fevered minds, the supreme contest? The women often have a deep seated fear that their ex may do something drastic. But nothing can really be done until serious violence occurs. AVO’s aren’t worth the paper they’re written on, with someone capable of such an extreme act. Who does the woman reach out to? What can actually be done to prevent it?   Not much 🥺 you would have to literally pack up and disappear, what extreme lengths to go to, and how difficult. Imagine the latent feeling of dread each time a potentially mentally unstable partner turns up to collect the kids for an allocated visit? What is it like until he brings them back? What a life. No easy answers, but society need to get working on it

I agree with this Sister Dot. I really dont know what we can realistically do to prevent this sort of tragedy though. Trouble is no government can legislate against and no police force can arrest someone on what they MIGHT do. Breaching an AVO means that an arrest can be made , but its not like the guy is going to be thrown in jail for a few months or anything! Ive known women who refuse to get an AVO because they believe it will set their nutcase ex off even more. Whats the solution? I have no idea!

Macca is very careful not to say it but the implication in his words is clear, she brought it upon herself

Whale wrote: Macca is very careful not to say it but the implication in his words is clear, she brought it upon herself

Your changing the facts again Whale. Not so ... I'm saying a goading on line attracted action that contradicted what she wrote .

It is Public . Don't you people research what you write.

words like ....     I won't be stood over === I'm in charge of me , I'm not the victim anymore .

It is in earlier posts ......    can't you grasp what the Police Officer meant ... She pushed him too far... He was stood down. You can't accept facts.     

Edited by Gay3 - 25 Feb 2020 at 7:41am