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Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

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I dont know what an Indigenous elite is but yesterday Marcia was quoted as saying an interesting thing. She was quoted(no idea if accurately quoted) as saying that 20% of NO voters were hardcore racists.

Do you think 20% is accurate oeone, and what percentage of them are Labor voters do you reckon?

 Well.... there are an awful lot of Indigenous 'no' voters. So, are they racist? How is that possible?

 I discussed the subject with my son-in-law, at dinner last night. He said all of his Indigenous family...who always vote Labor...are also voting no. 

 Marcia was offensive in the extreme with those comments. She said they were taken out of context...

 Sorry, but if the push for no is racist and stupid, it follows that people voting for it are also considered racist and stupid. 

 This referendum stinks of racism. On both sides.

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That is not what she said.
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 it is virtually what she said...
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Its what she meant, until she realised she has put foot in mouth, and now trying to back down.
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That implies she called NO voters stupid. She said that the message from the NO campaign comes from racism or stupidity.

Asked if they support Advance Australia(Jacinta's group) Liberals yesterday were distancing themselves from it saying they are not the official NO campaign. 

Today asked to condemn Gary Gray's racist comments Jacinta supported them.
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 PT will never back down...

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I heard what she said, didn't need Dutton's dishonest interpretation of it.
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Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

 PT will never back down...

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As opposed the evolution of your view?
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

That implies she called NO voters stupid. She said that the message from the NO campaign comes from racism or stupidity.

Asked if they support Advance Australia(Jacinta's group) Liberals yesterday were distancing themselves from it saying they are not the official NO campaign. 

Today asked to condemn Gary Gray's racist comments Jacinta supported them.

 Which Gary Gray?

 The film-maker? 
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

I heard what she said, didn't need Dutton's dishonest interpretation of it.

 We all heard what she said. 

 He is not the only one interpreting it as vile.  I never heard his comments.

 
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

 PT will never back down...

 Wink

As opposed the evolution of your view?

 Seriously?  At least I can see both sides of the argument..

  Take off those blinkers.
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 You can be very childish, PT...

 It continually surprises me.

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Really, I have asked many times for an intelligent reason to vote No. All that is repeated is disinformation and discredited fear campaign stuff similar to what we heard from the same people on land rights and SSM.
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Jacinta asked today if she supported Dutton's changes to the constitution wouldn't back him up and wouldn't commit to supporting his referendum 2.0.

They are the ones that are divided.
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 She gave very intelligent responses...which is more than you are doing.

 
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Jacinta asked today if she supported Dutton's changes to the constitution wouldn't back him up and wouldn't commit to supporting his referendum 2.0.

They are the ones that are divided.

 Why shouldn't they be?

 I don't think all Albo's ideas are great, just because I voted Labor last election.

 a one-hundred percent belief in any political party is a dangerous thing. 

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She didn't answer a single answer straight.

Actually that is not right. Asked directly about colonization and it's effects on indigenous people she contradicted John Howard by saying.

Jacinta Price: No. I will be honest with you. No, I do not think so.

A positive impact, absolutely.

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Ask whether she supported Jary Johns and David Adler from her Advance group views that have been called racist and unacceptable from Liberals she attacked Albo.
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 Oh dear...your perception is so skewed you adapt it to your own interpretation.

 She answered pretty honestly.

 
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“People who care more about being right than ending right prove just how wrong they were all along.”
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Ask whether she supported Jary Johns and David Adler from her Advance group views that have been called racist and unacceptable from Liberals she attacked Albo.

 

“What we look for is what we will see, what we see determines our perspective, and our perspective determines our reality.”


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jujuno Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Sep 2023 at 5:36pm
 as one poster on X eloquently said:

 It is what a reasonable person would make of the conversation and I think there is pretty much consensus on the fact that you cannot disconnect the relationship between the argument and the maker of the argument.
In other words if you call the argument racist, the maker is considered a racist. The same applies to the word stupid.

Every academic, lecturer and teacher knows to never call a question or argument stupid. Why do you think that is? I case you don't know, it is to avoid that this classification has a negative impact on the character of the individual making the argument or asking the question. She should grow up and own what she states or says as an academic, as lecturer and as teacher. Her role is to establish a trust relationship.


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I think this thread should be closed 

Its the GOTO when the reality of the Albanese Govt performance is discussed anywhere else.

BUT, but, but, but , but......this is what Scommo did years ago
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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

PT, just as relevant, did the Curtin, Whitlam, Hawke and Keating governments have no failures on indigenous matters?
Let's not reflect on ancient history and deal with current issues, say how do you think the Albanese government is going with their promotion of the YES vote and do you think Linda Burney will last much longer than Christmas as Minister for Indigenous Australians?

Ancient history isnt a lane a conservative would want to go down 
ALP  has provided Australia with almost all the social reforms 
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Originally posted by mc41 mc41 wrote:

Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

PT, just as relevant, did the Curtin, Whitlam, Hawke and Keating governments have no failures on indigenous matters?
Let's not reflect on ancient history and deal with current issues, say how do you think the Albanese government is going with their promotion of the YES vote and do you think Linda Burney will last much longer than Christmas as Minister for Indigenous Australians?

Ancient history isnt a lane a conservative would want to go down 
ALP  has provided Australia with almost all the social reforms 
LNP = GST 

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Inflation worse under Coalition than Labor



https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/inflation-worse-under-coalition-than-labor-contrary-to-morrisons-claims,15772

Australia’s history with inflation exposes Morrison’s claims of disaster under Labor as nonsense. Labor’s record is much better than the Coalition’s.

Under Labor, Australia led the world

The World Bank helps us here with inflation records for all developed countries going back to the early 1970s.

From 1971 to 1990, Australia’s inflation rate fluctuated wildly. But that happened everywhere. Inflation reached 15.4% in 1974, which helped sink the Whitlam Labor Government. But the OECD average that year was 32%. Australia’s economy under Gough Whitlam was actually one of the world’s more successful.

Australia’s OECD ranking on inflation remained pretty much in the middle – between 13th and 21st – for most of the period 1971 to 1990.

Then came the radical restructure during the Hawke years driven by reformist Treasurer Paul Keating. The World Bank’s data validates Keating’s 1991 claim that he had “snapped the stick of inflation”. By 1991, Australia’s inflation rate had fallen to 3.2%, which ranked fifth lowest in the OECD. The next year it was just 1.01%, which was the developed world’s lowest.

The Coalition lags behind Labor badly

Examining global rankings through the last 40 years shows Coalition outcomes are consistently worse than Labor’s. A simple exercise is to observe the average ranking in the OECD throughout that period. This takes into account prevailing global conditions, which varied greatly.

Australia’s inflation rankings rose steadily through the Hawke period, which saw improvements in all economic outcomes as Keating’s reforms took effect. The best inflation outcomes by far were in the Keating years, when Australia was in the top ten countries by low inflation four times, including 1992 when it was lowest. Next best were the Rudd and Gillard Labor governments, which most independent commentators accept delivered the world’s best economic responses to the Global Financial Crisis.

Next best – or second-worst – were the Howard years, where inflation remained low worldwide, with deflation appearing in Japan and Sweden. In 1997, Australia again had the OECD’s lowest inflation rate, and in 1998 was fourth lowest, confirming the stick stayed broken for quite a while.

Things deteriorated thereafter, however, and most of Howard’s last eight years saw Australia languishing outside the OECD’s best 20.

Poorest rankings for inflation historically, by far, have been through the Coalition years since 2013, with the financial year just ended the worst on record. Ranking 31st is the lowest ever. Fortunately, inflation improved slightly in the September quarter, but not by much.

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Remember Morrison buggering off to Hawaii during the last lot of bush fires?

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Interesting seeing all these Libs today suddenly not want to comment on Mike Pezzulo and corruption accusations. As secretary for Immigration/ Border Force/ Home Affairs for 9 years he knows where all Morrison and Dutton's skeletons are buried. 
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Though Brandis has given him a right decent serve.  Though unsurprising given Pessullo's attempts to undermine him.

No minister, Labor or Liberal, will ever be able to trust Pezzullo again


The problem with Mike Pezzullo has always been that he doesn’t understand limits.  he does not understand the limits of a public servant’s role and the need not to cross the boundary between being an adviser to government and a political player.

But that is not the only limit he doesn’t appear to understand.  He doesn’t appear to understand the boundaries between the elected government and the public service: hence his remark in one encrypted message: “We need to build a meritocracy by stealth and run government through the bureaucracy, working to 4-5 powerful and capable ministers.” It wasn’t only individual ministers Pezzullo was undermining, it was the very concept of an apolitical public service answerable to the elected government.




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Former top cop Christine Nixon reveals that, as rorters and criminals flooded the visa system, the authorities went missing


A focus on stopping migrant boats as millions of people arrived on planes with inadequate scrutiny meant authorities missed widespread exploitation and abuse in Australia’s visa system, according to the former top cop who led the Albanese government’s immigration rorts inquiry.


We were told the department’s energy went into the boats [with asylum seekers] but people were just flying into Australia in their millions,” she said.

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