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    Posted: 17 May 2021 at 12:25pm
What a great story told by Bart!!

In Bart Cummings’ autobiography ‘My Life’, Bart tells a very humorous tale about old Ming Dynasty.
“Many years later I trained a very popular grey horse called Ming Dynasty. He won two Caulfield Cups in his long career, and Valmae and I part-owned him as well as me training him.
After Ming Dynasty retired, we gave him to the Australian Jockey Club (AJC) as a clerk of the course mount, a job for which greys were favoured.
Well, Ming Dynasty wouldn’t behave. I heard stories of him throwing his rider and wreaking all sorts of havoc. Then, about two years after he retired, I was sitting in my office at our Randwick stables when one of the staff came in and said “Boss, there’s a strange grey horse here standing in a stall – I don’t know whose it is.”
I walked out and took a look. The horse had walked into a box, turned around and stood there waiting for somebody to close the door. I thought “Hang on, he’s standing in Ming Dynasty’s old box … Hang on he looks like Ming Dynasty, but it can’t be; he’s a clerk of the course horse now … Hang on …”
And then the phone rang. It was someone from the AJC, saying Ming Dynasty had wandered off. Had I seen him?
Yes, my old friend had returned. Ming Dynasty had appreciated a good home, and preferred to be here with the experts.
Diane Stampalia
At Bart’s Sydney stable Ming would stand all day in the doorway without closing the door if you let him. He knew exactly how he should be trained and worked more than most people.

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Winner of 2 Caulfield Cups

Edited by Gay3 - 23 May 2021 at 3:45pm
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Winner of 2 Caulfield Cup
Not to mention 2 Australian Cups & heaps of other big races.

76 starts for 17 wins, 13 seconds & 9 thirds - $547,825
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Career Highlights:

TWO YEARS: 1975 -1976 Starts 6: 1-2-2-1
3rd-13 18/02/1976. Lg hd x 1.5L Canterbury, STC 2nd Lilyfield Maiden Hcp 1000m. 53.5kg 1.01.1. Good, 5/1. Bernard 52 5/1 1st Marjie's Boy 54.5 7/4F 2nd
1st-14 8/03/1976. 10L x 1.5L Canterbury, STC 3rd Sans Souci Hcp Abt. 1200m. 54kg 1.14.4. Good, 2/1. Donati's Comet 51 5/1 2nd King's Caper's 52 7/4F 7th
2nd-16 10/04/1976. ½ nk x 1.75L Warwick Farm, AJC Liverpool Festival Hcp (1st Division) 1400m. 54kg 1.25.9. Good, 6/4F. Glen Vain 56 13/4 1st Dublin Express 51 5/2 3rd
3rd-12 21/04/1976. Lg hd x 2L Randwick, AJC Fernhill Handicap 1600m. 55.5kg 1.37.2. Good, 7/4F. Willowy 50 7/2 1st Forte 48.5 7/2 2nd
2nd-19 22/05/1976. 3L x sht hd Rosehill, STC St. Leonard's Hcp 1400m. 57kg 1.24.5. Good, 4/1. Duke Ellington 52.5 9/1 1st Always Welcome 54.5 2/1F 4th

THREE YEARS: 1976-1977 Starts 16: 6-3-3-4
1st-11 4/09/1976. Sht hd x 3.5L Canterbury, STC Kilshery Graduation Stakes (2nd Division) 1280m. 53kg 1.17.1. Good, 3/1. Tattenham Lad 50 6/4F2nd Donati's Comet 51.5 10/1 3rd
2nd-13 2/10/1976. ½ nk x 3L Randwick, AJC Trial Stakes 2000m. 50.5kg 2.05.5 Good, 11/2. Stadium Star 54.5 3/1 1st Triumphant 54 5/2F 3rd
1st-16 23/10/1976. 3.5L x lg nk Rosehill, STC Colyton Graduation Stakes 2000m. 55.5kg 2.03.4. Slow, 11/4. Maybe Street 53 100/1 2nd Hudson's Bay 53 5/2F 3rd
3rd-14 4/11/1976. 3L x nk Flemington, VRC Batman Hcp 2000m. 55kg 2.03.7. Slow, 3/1F. Opposition 53 11/2 1st Fearella 53 20/1 2nd
1st-9 1/12/1976. 3L x 2L Randwick, AJC Forestville Hcp 1600m. 50.5kg 1.35.7. Fast, 3/1. Dear John 51.5 7/1 2nd Sniff 50.5 6/4F 4th
1st-8 18/12/1976. 1.25L x 3L Randwick, AJC December Hcp 2000m. 52kg 2.01.5. Good, 5/4F. Maddox Lane 51 11/2 2nd Cool Classic 48.5 16/1 3rd
1st-10 27/12/1976. 0.5L x 1.25L Randwick, AJC Summer Cup 2400m. 54kg 2.29.1. Good, 3/1. Lazy Pat 53 11/4F 2nd Purple Pride 50 6/1 3rd
2nd-6 1/01/1977. 1.75L x 5L Randwick, Tattersall's Club Tattersall's Club Cup 2400m. 55kg 2.28.9. Good 9/4EF Lazy Pat 52 9/4EF 1st Maddox Lane 50.5 7/1 3rd
4th-11 19/02/1977. 1.5L x 0.5L Canterbury, STC Frederick Clissold Hcp 1200m. 54.5kg 1.10.2. Good, 50/1. Tiger Town 52 5/2F 1st Makara 51 15/4 2nd
4th-6 12/03/1977. 1.5L x 1.75L Rosehill, STC Phar Lap Stakes 1500m. 54kg 1.31.1. Good, 9/4. Blockbuster 54 4/5F 1st Salamander 54 4/1 2nd
1st-12 26/03/1977. Hd x sht ½ hd Rosehill, STC Tulloch 3YO Stakes 1850m. 54kg 1.53.5. Fast, 7/1. Leonotis 54 20/1 2nd Salamander 54 9/4F 4th
3rd-12 9/04/1977. 1L x ½ nk Randwick, AJC Australasian Champion Stakes 2000m. 54kg 2.03.5. Fast, 14/1. Sir Silver Lad 54 1st Salamander 54 7/1 2nd
2nd-9 14/05/1977. 7L x 0.75L Doomben, BATC Clive Uhr Quality Hcp 2020m. 55.5kg 2.04.1. Good, 2/1. Sir Serene 49.5 8/11F 1st Miner's Inn 49.5 10/1 3rd
3rd-11 21/05/1977. 2L x 2L Eagle Farm, QTC Grand Prix Stakes 2200m. 55.5kg 2.19.2. Slow, 4/1. Surround 55.5 5/4F 1st Miner's Inn 53 33/1 2nd

FOUR YEARS: 1977-1978 Starts 21: 5-4-2-10
4th-9 27/08/1977. ½ hd x sht ½ hd Sandown, VATC Liston Stakes 1400m. 57kg 1.24.7. Good, 50/1. Vice Regal 57 5/1 1st Surround 54.5 4/5F 6th
1st-10 10/09/1977. 0.75L x 2L Flemington, VRC Craiglee Stakes 1600m. 57kg 1.38.0. Good, 14/1. Family of Man 57 10/9F 2nd Silent Gift 58.5 10/1 3rd
1st-18 15/10/1977. 1.25L x sht hd Caulfield, VATC Caulfield Cup (G1) 2400m. 54kg 2.28.5. Fast, 9/1. Unaware 56.5 7/1 2nd Family of Man 55.5 5/1EF 4th; Sir Serene 52 5/1EF 9th
4th-10 4/03/1978. 1.25L x ½ nk Caulfield, VATC T S Carlyon Cup 2000m. 57.5kg 2.02.5. Fast, 11/1. Hyperno 56.5 6/4F 1st Ready O'Ready 53 8/1 2nd
1st-13 13/03/1978. 0.5L x 4L Flemington, VRC Australian Cup (G1) 2000m. 58kg 2.02.6. Good, 7/2F. Crepellox 51 7/1 2nd Carl's Gift 48.5 12/1 3rd
1st-6 25/03/1978. 4L x 5L Randwick, AJC Autumn Stakes 2000m. 57kg 2.09.1. Slow, 6/4. Hyperno 57 5/4F 2nd Tod Bay 58 10/1 3rd
1st-6 1/04/1978. 13L x nk Randwick, AJC Queen Elizabeth Stakes (G1) 2400m. 57kg 2.43.5. Heavy, 2/1EF. Unaware 57 11/2 2nd Belmura Lad 52.5 2/1EF 3rd
2nd-10 13/05/1978. 2.25L x 0.5L Doomben, BATC Handicap 1610m. 60.5kg 1.39.0. Good, 5/2. Sweet Bye 47 20/1 1st Yo Tambien 54 9/4F 4th
2nd-7 20/05/1978. Sht ½ hd x 4L Eagle Farm, QTC P. J. O'Shea Stakes 2200m. 57kg 2.25.7. Good, 1/3F. Tod Bay 57.5 9/2 1st Hyatt 57 8/1 3rd
3rd-9 3/06/1978. 1.25L x 1L Eagle Farm, QTC Sir Winston Churchill Stakes 2200m. 60kg 2.17.7. Good, 4/6F. Miner's Inn 52 4/1 1st Shazoom 48 14/1 3rd
2nd-18 5/06/1978. Sht nk x lg hd Eagle Farm, QTC Brisbane Cup 3200m. 59kg 3.22.5. Good, 16/1. Muros 52.5 10/1 1st Miner's Inn 50 6/1EF 6th; Hyperno 59.5 6/1EF 7th
2nd-16 24/06/1978. 0.75L x 1L Eagle Farm, Tattersall's Cup 2200m. 60kg 2.14.1. Good, 7/1. Future Shock 54 6/1 1st Bermadez 51 11/2F 7th
3rd-20 8/07/1978. 0.75L x sht hd Doomben, BATC Doomben Cup 2200m. 60kg 2.13.8 (CR) Good, 4/1F. 
Marceau 51 25/1 1st Lloyd Boy 49 10/1 2nd

FIVE YEARS: 1978 -1979 Starts 7: 3-0-2-2
1st-5 9/09/1978. 1L x 6L Randwick, Tattersall's Club Chelmsford Stakes 1800m. 59kg 1.56.0. Heavy, 13/4. Flying Flag 52.5 5/2 2nd Sungazer cd 46 10/9F 3rd
3rd-8 23/09/1978. 1.75L x 1.5L Rosehill, STC Hill Stakes 1750m. 59kg 1.46.9. Good, 10/9F. 
Marceau 57 5/4 1st Valadero 59 20/1 2nd
1st-5 30/09/1978. 3.25L x 2.5L Randwick, AJC Craven Plate 2000m. 59kg 2.07.8. Slow, 1/2F. Dungarven 57 66/1 2nd Lavache (IRE) 59 6/1 3rd
1st-23 2/10/1978. Hd x 1.25L Randwick, AJC The Metropolitan (G1) 2600m. 59.5kg 2.45.2. Good, 13/2. Arwon 49 16/1 2nd Over The Ocean 50 7/2F
3rd-10 14/10/1978. ½ nk x sht hd Caulfield, VATC Caulfield Stakes 2000m. 59kg 2.02.3. Good, 5/1. Lloyd Boyy 57 12/1 1st Lefroy 57 7/4F 2nd

SIX YEARS: 1979 -1980 Starts 14: 1-2-0-11
2nd-12 4/08/1979. 5L x sht ½ hd Victoria Park, SAJC Straight Five Hcp 1000m. 63 cd 60kg 0.58.0. Good, 25/1. Mellow Tint cd 49 8/10F 1st Outer Marker cd 48.5 40/1 3rd
2nd-17 25/08/1979. 0.5L x sht ½ hd Sandown, VATC Liston Stakes 1400m. 58.5kg 1.26.4. Slow, 6/1. Waitangarua 58.5 14/1 1st Crepellox 58.5 4/6F 3rd
4th-5 1/09/1979. 1L x lg nk Caulfield, VATC Memsie Stakes 1600m. 58.5kg 1.43.3. Heavy, 2/1. Arbre Chene 58.5 4/1 1st Crepellox 58.5 7/4F 3rd
4th-13 9/02/1980. 2L x 2.5L Sandown, VATC C.F. Orr Stakes 1400m. 57.5kg 1.23.5. Fast, 66/1. Manikato 57 2/9F 1st Hyperno 57.5 12/1 2nd
1st-12 10/03/1980. Sht hd x 2.25L Flemington, VRC Australian Cup 2000m. 58kg 2.02.1. Good, 25/1. Double Century 57 14/1 2nd Shivaree 6/4F 5th

SEVEN YEARS: 1980 -1981 Starts 12: 1-1-0-10
2nd-4 13/09/1980. 5L x 2L Randwick, Tattersall's Club (NSW) Chelmsford Stakes 1800m. 59kg 1.49.3. Good, 16/1. Kingston Town 57 1/20F 1st Argyle Morgan 59 40/1 3rd
4th-11 27/09/1980. 1.75L x 2.25L Rosehill, STC STC Cup 2400m. 60kg 2.29.9. Fast, 14/1. Kingston Town 57 1/10F 1st Over The Ocean 60 100/1 2nd
1st-17 18/10/1980. 1.25L x lg nk Caulfield, VATC Caulfield Cup (G1) 2400m. 58kg 2.28.7. Fast 50/1. Hyperno 59 5/1 2nd Kingston Town 60 11/4F 3rd

4th-5 14/02/1981. DH x 4L Caulfield, VATC St. George Stakes 1800m. 58kg 1.50.1. Fast, 20/1. Hyperno 58 11/8F 1st My Brown Jug 57 13/8 DH 1st

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He's got more highlights than Rod Stewart's hair ! Smile
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He raced before my time but remember Sydney racecallers mentioning his name as the Clerk of the Course at Randwick when I started following racing in the late 80’s.  From what I recall he had that job for many years & lived to quite a ripe old age.

There’s an interesting race in his record - 25/3/78 he won a race called the AJC Autumn Stakes a WFA race over 2000m, beating another iron horse in Hyperno. 

Looking at the Studbook, this 1978 race was the last running of the AJC Autumn Stks - what happened to this race?

It had been run since 1871 & seems like a major carnival race having been won by Wakeful, Peter Pan, Beau Vite & Tulloch.  And it seemed like it was still going strong in the 1970’s with the likes of Ming, Hyperno, Balmerino, Gunsynd & Rain Lover all contesting it.  So equivalent of G1 standard of the time.

Any racing historian shed any light on the sudden disappearance of the AJC Autumn Stks?  

Can’t imagine a race club just deciding to discontinue a G1 race suddenly these days.


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I don't know the answer but the following year, the distance of the Rawson Stakes was increased from 1750m to 2000m & the Queen Elizabeth Stakes was reduced from 2400m to 2000m. The Tancred Stakes had also been changed from a handicap to WFA in 1977.

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The Chairman's Handicap (2600m) was also added to the schedule in 1979. Perhaps the Autumn Stakes was squeezed out because of all those changes although I would thought the AJC could have continued with the Autumn name rather than Chairmans.

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With 1979 being the first year of Group racing in Australia, there was probably a bit of fiddling around with races & distances trying to sort out the best approach.

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Thanks GA for the history lesson.  You’re probably right with the AJCAutumn Stakes simply being squeezed out of the carnival.

It’s probably high time racing administrators pruned (or downgraded) a few of the current G1 races from the calendar to ensure a more competitive racing program at the top end.
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