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Trust HG to deflect to an insignificant point Embarrassed
Declaration of Independence, signed after The Civil War. Trump said so.
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Silly me. I shouldn't try to use something from a playbook written by you! 
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Originally posted by HarnessGuru HarnessGuru wrote:

What do you mean 'identify as'? 

If I started identifying as Latino does that make me Latino? 

You're either something or you're not. Doesn't matter what 'identify as'. 

Just identify as racist. Job done.

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The freedom and liberty of having no assets to lose in a defamation case against you must be nice to have Muss! 
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Got any case law, where avatars have sued for defamation?
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What sort of thin skinned petal threatens to sue on an anonymous forum?
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Got any case law, where avatars have sued for defamation?

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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

What sort of thin skinned petal threatens to sue on an anonymous forum?
I'm not threatening to sue. To dumb it down for you I'm saying 1) he's lying and 2) he would have nothing to go after anyway. 


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Two incorrect answers, tsk,tsk.
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Sure sounded like a threat to sue.
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Originally posted by Muss Muss wrote:

Two incorrect answers, tsk,tsk.
One is correct. Facts arent racist. 
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To dumb it down for you I'm saying 1) he's lying and 2) he would have nothing to go after anyway.

I don't get it, he is lying, according to you, okay. Why mention suing?

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But if he did have something to go after?
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It needs to be pointed out to you but yes, people of colour are disproportionately represented in crime figures and jail.

This is because they aren't afforded the benefits of being white.

It has nothing to do with the colour of their skin. It's about the opportunities they are given in life.

So you can bang on about grouping crime figures into orange or blue until the cows come home. Your facts simply point to racism.
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

To dumb it down for you I'm saying 1) he's lying and 2) he would have nothing to go after anyway.

I don't get it, he is lying, according to you, okay. Why mention suing?

I thought the 'have nothing to go after anyway' kinda made it obvious I wouldn't actually be suing. If not in the original post, surely by now I've clarified it twice. 

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I thought the 'have nothing to go after anyway' kinda made it obvious I wouldn't actually be suing

I can comprehend, I got that when I read the post.
The question remains, why mention suing? 
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Originally posted by Muss Muss wrote:

It needs to be pointed out to you but yes, people of colour are disproportionately represented in crime figures and jail.

This is because they aren't afforded the benefits of being white.

It has nothing to do with the colour of their skin. It's about the opportunities they are given in life.

So you can bang on about grouping crime figures into orange or blue until the cows come home. Your facts simply point to racism.
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Socioeconomic circumstances definitely a major issue 100%. Its another important stat. The stats in unison can work together to say 'hey how can we (fairly) improve socioeconomic status for a section of the community (in this case African Americans) so they importantly for themselves have a better life but also for society we have less crime. Of course you just shout racism before we can flesh out any sensible discussion though. 

However, there is still a cultural issue. Not since the days of Ned Kelly and Jesse James has a white criminal achieved the public sentiment of a George Floyd. Whether there is a level of police brutality in his death or not, making a man with his rap sheet a martyr for your culture is simply absurd. Another cultural issue is fatherless houses, having the stats divided by race gives us good insight into as what can be helped.  

Then we have DV deaths in NT as another example. A death in custody in NT causes extreme reactions. 2023-24 report I found shows 2 NT deaths in custody. Appears about an average of 4 DV deaths in NT per year. The Aboriginal community in NT jump up and down about the deaths in custody but where is the outrage for the DBV deaths? Their community does not denounce it in the same way at all. 

Of course a great deal of African American and Aboriginal people do not suffer from the cultural issues, while a lot of white gronks are deadbeat dads or do crime - but this purely statistically speaking. 
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

I thought the 'have nothing to go after anyway' kinda made it obvious I wouldn't actually be suing

I can comprehend, I got that when I read the post.
The question remains, why mention suing? 
As already answered:
 
1) to point out he is lying 
2) to make a little joke/dig he has no assets 
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Uh oh budget deficit, turns out Mamdami can't just give free gelati away willy nilly as promised


Still sticking to his tax the rich vote winning slogan but he has admitted New York needs to "root out waste & inefficiencies in city government". Code for needs to cut spending on free gelati. Another reason for waste & inefficiencies in councils? Lack of accountability. Its not a bosses capital on the line! 

So Mamdami now saying totally blindsided and blaming prior Mayor. Probably some truth to that. But Audited Financial Statements are published annually. 30 seconds on Google & they're here https://comptroller.nyc.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/4-Government-Wide-and-Fund-Financial-Statements-FY25.pdf ;

Given there is audited financials I was quite suprised Mamdami acting so blindsides to the fact he won't be able to deliver on his election promises of free gelati for everyone and needs to restore the budget. I couldn't be arsed reading the financials though to confirm so much to the delight of FF I chucked it into chat who confirmed that yes despite shortfalls in the budget it was a known planning issue and Mamdami should not have been surprised. 

This guy is simply playing politics and winning the vote of losers who would rather drag others down to their level. 

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Where have you been?
EVERY in coming leader is dismayed at the current status.
Presidents,governors,mayors,PMs, CEOs etc etc
It’s literally standard procedure.

We need to lower the bar as to what will be a good result.
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Jesus HG, you are inviting me in again?😂

 I couldn't be arsed reading the financials though to confirm so much to the delight of FF
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Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Where have you been?
EVERY in coming leader is dismayed at the current status.
Presidents,governors,mayors,PMs, CEOs etc etc
It’s literally standard procedure.

We need to lower the bar as to what will be a good result.
Of course they do but this is a complete lack of due diligence pre election. Other leaders have done the due diligence to know roughly what they can campaign on. Not offer the world and do a complete U-turn months later.   






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Originally posted by Freefall Freefall wrote:

Jesus HG, you are inviting me in again?😂

 I couldn't be arsed reading the financials though to confirm so much to the delight of FF
Since when did you need an invitation! 
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Originally posted by HarnessGuru HarnessGuru wrote:

What do you mean 'identify as'? 

If I started identifying as Latino does that make me Latino? 

You're either something or you're not. Doesn't matter what 'identify as'. 

So HG, you are denying me my right to identify as an Asian lady boy (are there any other) whose mission in life is to save gay whales?

BTW, Melbourne has had free tram travel in the CBD for more than a decade. It’s been a huge success and the money lost in fares is more than compensated by the cost of staff who used to collect those fares.

You’re right though, I never need an invitation 👍
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I just had a quick look at the NY financials.

About 50% of expenditure is on education and social services (whatever that means).



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Originally posted by Freefall Freefall wrote:

Originally posted by HarnessGuru HarnessGuru wrote:

What do you mean 'identify as'? 

If I started identifying as Latino does that make me Latino? 

You're either something or you're not. Doesn't matter what 'identify as'. 

So HG, you are denying me my right to identify as an Asian lady boy (are there any other) whose mission in life is to save gay whales?

BTW, Melbourne has had free tram travel in the CBD for more than a decade. It’s been a huge success and the money lost in fares is more than compensated by the cost of staff who used to collect those fares.

You’re right though, I never need an invitation 👍
If thats what you want to do go for it LOL 

Re trams - that specific kind of freebie does make some sense due to money spent policing it. 

But an overall worldview of free money is dangerous. Don't really follow Vic politics much but unlike Mamdami I guess Jacinta Allen doesn't have the luxury of just blaming Dan Andrews for the budget deficit she took over! 
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Yes HG, Victoria’s deficits are and have been a problem.

Infrastructure spending (that may or may not generate a return), Covid money, public service wages and interest on the debt all contribute to a budget that is approaching $100M deficit.

I’m not sure where Vic’s future goes?

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And just one more comment before I settle back to watch Dunna Runna win at $5.50. My biggest bet for a while.

The US cannot sustain the debt they are carrying forever. Surely?

Something has to give and I’m I’m not optimistic.


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Re Vic future, maybe waking up ever so slightly with Bandt booted. 

Good luck with the horse. 


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