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Baghdad Bob
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Wow, Andrew Rule, noted criminal journalist on historical crime in Australia, has not missed out on Malcolm Turnbull in today's published article. Below is a little of what Rule has written.... "Has the cat got Malcolm Turnbull’s tongue? For someone who has always fancied the sound of his own voice, the reject prime minister is noticeably silent about his excruciating connection with those behind the fire that killed seven innocent people at Luna Park in Sydney in 1979. The
death of six children (and the father of two of them) is a blot on Australia’s
legal system. After decades as an open secret, it has been forensically
dissected by the ABC documentary Exposed: The Ghost Train Fire. The
final searing episode went to air during the week, climaxing an overwhelming
case to quash the evasive coronial finding made 40 years ago and call a fresh
inquest. The documentary shines a dazzling light in a dark
place. But it can’t help leaving a few gaps in the appalling tale of corruption
at the highest level. Some black holes are unavoidable because of
one-sided Australian defamation laws exploited by the rich and powerful and
their crooked cronies. But even a re-investigation this thorough has to draw a
line. Not every weasel can be chased down every burrow. Which
brings us to Turnbull’s close relationship with corrupt NSW premier Neville
“Nifty” Wran. Turnbull’s silence on this has been deafening,
given his barrage of “briefing” against his former colleagues since he lost
office. But even a master of political doublespeak can’t
disown the “father-son” relationship he has often described in warm terms. It was Wran, rising political star, who landed young Turnbull
his Rhodes scholarship. Later,
the wunderkind Turnbull returned the favour, managing Wran’s financial affairs
and acting as executor for the man he called his closest friend. Turnbull
has been hugely successful at everything he has tried apart from politics. He
made his considerable fortune fair and square; there’s no suggestion he needed
help from Wran, Kerry Packer or anyone else. But
the Wran-Turnbull bond, innocent in itself, is one link in a short chain
connecting gangsters to the highest offices in the land. Wran was always close to the ruthless racketeer and
bookmaker, Bill Waterhouse. After university, Wran moonlighted as a runner for
Waterhouse at the races, where Sydney’s gangsters rubbed shoulders with those
running the state." |
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Oh Bob, that’s a few minutes I’ll never get back
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ExceedAndExcel
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Is that the best part Bob? Or is there more? That was a bunch of nothing paragraphs. Not entirely sure what aroused you so much TBH.
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Baghdad Bob
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E&E, they were the only references to Turnbull, the rest of Rule's article was about Waterhouse, Wran, Lionel Murphy, Abe Saffron, bent cops and even a police prosecutor. According to Rule's article Saffron had many under his control by using two-way mirrors and secret cameras to capture their nefarious nocturnal activities.
E&E, according to your profile you are 12 years old, so I presume all those scandals are way way before your time.
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djebel
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Baghdad can you please post the whole article ?
Did anybody watch the Ghost Train documentary the article refers to ? |
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djebel
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This is probably the most important of the 3 episodes.
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djebel
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Gay or Horlicks can you change the heading of this thread to Luna Park Ghost Train fire ?
I believe this to far more important than any tenuous link Turnbull may have had with the fire.
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Tlazolteotl
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"But
the Wran-Turnbull bond, innocent in itself," But don't let that stop you. Please go on with your insinuations.
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An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.
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Baghdad Bob
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I am quoting Andrew Rule's article as a matter of public interest, as I said at the beginning of my post "wow", living a sheltered life in Victoria, I had no idea of the connection of Turnbull to Wran.
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djebel
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Can you post the WHOLE article please ?
I think Turnbull should be suing this mob, the click bait basically linking him with the fire is overwhelming.
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Second Chance
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I would guess that literally hundreds of people, politicians, businesspeople, industrialists, academics you name it, and who are alive and prominent in society today, would have enjoyed a relationship with Neville Wran 30 years ago.
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djebel
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Passing Through
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''the reject prime minister''
Obviously a fair and balanced story will follow that opening.
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Baghdad Bob
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I think there is enough in that program to convince me Premier Wran was a crook.
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ExceedAndExcel
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If those were the only mentions of Turnbull then my comment regarding how easily aroused you are stands as correct. Imagine barring up over a few nothing paragraphs like that!
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Baghdad Bob
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The rest of that article was more about that ABC program on the Ghost Train Fire, no more reference was made to Turnbull.
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djebel
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That's fine, can you post it anyway ?
This thread will be the Luna Park Ghost Train thread. Thankyou. |
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Baghdad Bob
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Andrew Rule certainly has a way with words, like all good journalists.
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ExceedAndExcel
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They all become reject prime ministers eventually.
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Baghdad Bob
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Edited by horlicks - 04 Apr 2021 at 7:04pm |
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djebel
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Thanks Bob, Muchly appreciated.
You have to wonder what purpose Andrew Rule has in bringing up Turnbulls relationship with Wran in this tragic and disgraceful event ? The first half of the article might as well have been written by Morrisons script writer Murdoch.
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‘Freedom of speech must never mean freedom from responsibility’Rupert Murdoch's Fox News pushed and extolled the presidency of Donald Trump. It must now be brought to account, writes Malcolm Turnbull. True to their tradition of wielding power without responsibility, the Murdochs, pere et fils, have not commented on the sacking of the Capitol by a mob of Donald Trump supporters. Yet this catastrophe could not have occurred without the hatred, division and madness Murdoch’s media have promoted for years within the United States and beyond. Murdoch knew Trump very well and did not regard him as a serious or suitable person to be president. But he was persuaded he could win and so threw all of the power of Fox News behind him. Until a few weeks ago Fox News’ relationship with Trump was like that of a state-owned broadcaster in a dictatorship: flattering the great leader, supporting his friends, denouncing his enemies, covering up his failures. Fox News has promoted and exacerbated America’s deep social and racial divisions, supporting Trump’s exploitation of them at every turn. When COVID-19 arrived, Fox and Murdoch’s other media outlets were in the forefront denying the reality of the virus, questioning social distancing and mask wearing. In other words denying the epidemiology of the virus just as they have denied the physics of global warming. And when the election result was clear, Fox was once again in the forefront supporting Trump in his claims of election fraud, undermining Americans’ faith in their electoral system. America is weaker, sicker and more divided today than it has ever been, probably since the Civil War. America’s adversaries in Beijing and Moscow are delighted, beside themselves with schadenfreude as they see the Confederate flag carried in triumph through the Capitol, congressmen and senators chased through the corridors by a mob sent by the president. Murdoch did not directly dispatch the mob as Trump did, but his media, more than any other, amplified the narratives of hatred, division and denial that made the mob possible. I have been with Trump and Murdoch and the power relationship was all too obvious. Trump was deferential, almost obsequious, to Murdoch. In fact when Trump and I first met he wanted Murdoch to join our bilateral discussion. I told him I wouldn’t do that — something Murdoch did not appreciate no doubt. Russian interference in US politics was designed to foment division between Americans, mostly on racial lines, and to undermine trust in the US electoral system. Those objectives have been achieved, spectacularly, but it’s hard to give the Russians much credit for it. The heavy lifting was done by Americans — Murdoch above all, followed by other right-wing media and of course the craziness on Twitter, Facebook and other social media platforms favoured by the lunatic right, like Parler and Gab. Many of Murdoch’s employees, such as Paul Kelly, try to explain the extremism on Fox, Sky News or The Australian as being the consequence of the craziness of social media corrupting traditional mainstream media. (See page 480 of my book A Bigger Picture.) There is some truth in that, but it does not absolve the owners and editors of mainstream media from responsibility for what they have wrought. Mainstream media has to compete with social media for eyeballs and dollars, but it has enormous reach and credibility that a Facebook post or a Twitter thread does not. Murdoch’s Australian media has evolved into a version of Fox News. Readers don’t need to be reminded of their consistent climate denialism and the way they cover for their political mates and denounce their opponents. All of us have to accept responsibility for the consequences of our actions — especially if they were foreseeable. The prerogative of the harlot is how Rudyard Kipling described the press barons’ power without responsibility. Pretty tough on harlots I have always thought. The Murdochs have said they are simply running a business. So the craziness of Fox News is not propaganda, it’s just giving the market what it wants. That is no defence. When a drug company poisons its customers, it is no defence to say that the poisoning was unintended — that the directors just wanted to boost their earnings. The time has come to hold powerful people in the media responsible for the damage they have created or enabled. This doesn’t mean newspapers or broadcasters should be censored, but it does mean that the public and media who report the news accurately and fairly should hold the propagandists to account. It means businesses that advertise with Murdoch should be asked to explain how they justify supporting platforms that have done so much damage to democracy. It means journalists who do their masters’ bidding should be asked to explain how they justify their complicit collaboration with such destructive political propaganda. When I made these points to Paul Kelly on Q+A recently he responded with “how dare you?”, indignant that I would seek to hold him to account. Well just as we hold politicians to account, it is about time we hold powerful media voices to account. Freedom of speech must never mean freedom from responsibility. For more on how Murdoch helped give us Trump, go here. |
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jujuno
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touche... talk about BB making a monolith out of a pebble... |
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Baghdad Bob
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Give Andrew Rule a call and sort out whatever issues you have with him, I am just the messenger.
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just because Turnbull was personally involved with Wran and Waterhouse, doesn't mean he was as corrupt as they were.
Might be, might not...where's the evidence? |
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Baghdad Bob
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If you closely read what Rule wrote he never said Turnbull was corrupt.
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then why bring him into the article...and infer he had a connection to the Luna Park fire?
Rubbish journalism... |
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Surely a News Corpse hack attacking Turnbull has nothing to do with Turnbull being onboard Rudd's crusade to have Murdoch's massive and distorted media ownership in Australia examined? Rudd's petition to send to parliament to call for a Royal Commission is sitting at a record for a parliamentary petition of nearly 500,000 signatures.
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Tlazolteotl
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"Just because Turnbull was personally involved with Wran and Waterhouse" And I had a personal involvment with Abe Saffron because I once placed a bet with Bill waterhouse.
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An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.
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