Kings Will Dream

Thinking the same thing. Going to be very hard to beat in the Makybe, Underwood etc, it the CC is away away. No spoil the odds right now.

He won’t get near Winx. They would be mad if they changed their minds.
Stick to the plan.

Weir won't bother sending anything to the Cox Plate unless they require the fitness.

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This horse is more than a stayer.

He is like Jamekha in her four yer old spring. She was a wfa group 1 horse at 2000m or longer, but they had a plan to run the Caulfield Cup, and stuck to it, and reaped the rewards.

She came back in the autumn and showed just how good she was in the BMW.

This guy is right at her level. Underwood, into Turnbull and then Caulfield.

NO COX PLATE!!!!!!!!

I know nothing about breeding... what are his chances over 2 miles???

It's a real mix on the dam side with two mile winners, jumpers and sprinters. Interestingly Luca Cumani has a 2yo half sister ( Stormy Road ) for OTI that won over a mile at her second start. She should stay a trip next year but her sire side makes it a little doubtful. 

If he was mine, he would not be winning a race before the CC, unless it is penalty exempt!

From memory Mongolian Khan, Viewed and Ethereal ran some pretty good races at 1400m the years they won the CC and the likes of Paris Lane going back a few years. Can anyone post their spring records?

Most Caulfield Cup winners ran well when kicked off over 1400m, they would ALL step up in trip for their next start.

Slammington wrote: From memory Mongolian Khan, Viewed and Ethereal ran some pretty good races at 1400m the years they won the CC and the likes of Paris Lane going back a few years. Can anyone post their spring records?

Jump onto Racing Australia and look it up

Stepping horses up gradually in preps. for races of this nature has been part of oz training for over a century, Bart done it all his life and good trainers before him, the restricted way trainers have to work their horses on racetracks with a multitude of others means their horses are a little more tense when horses work up their arse, not like the downs, we shouldn't change imo just don't fall into too much media hype with o/s preps, the ones that are not duds maintain or improve when landed here.

djebel wrote: Carioca wrote: Stepping horses up gradually in preps. for races of this nature has been part of oz training for over a century, Bart done it all his life and good trainers before him, the restricted way trainers have to work their horses on racetracks with a multitude of others means their horses are a little more tense when horses work up their arse, not like the downs, we shouldn't change imo just don't fall into too much media hype with o/s preps, the ones that are not duds maintain or improve when landed here. Not sure how much truth is in that ? Particularly "over a century" Plus it might have been fine when pur trainers where just playing amongst themselves, Australia is now open to the world.

There's a lot of things you dis believe unless it's written in the racing post or some other racing pommy paper, but you may like to look up Nightmarch winner of the 29/ MC, it's all there his racing profile as with another fifty or so , horsesof the years, Tontanon's site.

It does not particularly matter what they did or any example you throw up, We are in the big world now, We are not a insular racing nation anymore.

djebel wrote: It does not particularly matter what they did or any example you throw up, We are in the big world now, We are not a insular racing nation anymore. If we want to be competitive our trainers and their facilities are going to have to improve. For all your examples you can throw up horses that had unconventional campaigns as well.

We don't have to change anything, if they want to come here ( and may well with carpenter inducements) that's their prerogative, there's everything here ( but no top ups this time) including huge prize money, good weather and good tracks , if they are not happy with that go to the US or stay home and freeze.

Carioca wrote: djebel wrote: It does not particularly matter what they did or any example you throw up, We are in the big world now, We are not a insular racing nation anymore. If we want to be competitive our trainers and their facilities are going to have to improve. For all your examples you can throw up horses that had unconventional campaigns as well. We don't have to change anything, if they want to come here ( and may well with carpenter inducements) that's their prerogative, there's everything here ( but no top ups this time) including huge prize money, good weather and good tracks , if they are not happy with that go to the US or stay home and freeze.