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Doesn't change my point. You aren't interested in rational discussion, you come here to start fights and shove it down our throats. For that, you are a waste of time to talk with.
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the best japanese horses can't win the arc
+ the best euros can't win the japan cup
so i think using either race to argue  
that 1 country has better horses is flawed.

i suppose you would have to compare them on neutral territory
to get a fair guide. 
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were there any euros in the melb cup
field that pop rock + delta blues destroyed,..? only 1 race..i know.
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**it has been argued by some that aussie conditions/racing
is closer to japanese in style, so they are more suited here..then euros
..so aus may not strictly speaking be neutral territory..
what would be/is..?
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Has there been much comment of the performance of Epiphaneia ?

RACE 8 (581)
Group One - 2000MGoing :GOOD TO FIRM
THE AUDEMARS PIGUET QEII CUPCourse :TURF - "A" COURSE
HK$ 14,000,000.00Time :(25.94)(50.67)(1.14.98)(1.37.79)(2.01.06)
 Sectional Time :25.9424.7324.3122.8123.27
Plc.Horse No.HorseJockeyTrainerActual
Wt.
Declar.
Horse Wt.
DrawLBWRunning
Position
Finish TimeWin Odds
15DESIGNS ON ROME(P270)T BerryJ Moore12610625-
88841
2.01.062.2
21MILITARY ATTACK(N175)J MoreiraJ Moore12610534N
55552
2.01.115.8
34VERCINGETORIX(S625)A DelpechM F de Kock126111332-1/4
77793
2.01.439.6
43EPIPHANEIA(S624)Y FukunagaK Sumii126106864-1/4
44324
2.01.763.2
57DIBAYANI(S120)Z PurtonC W Chang126996104-1/4
10101075
2.01.768.8
66PACKING WHIZ(N120)N CallanC Fownes126118396
99986
2.02.0199
710SAME WORLD(N098)H BowmanJ Moore126105429
11117
2.02.5099
82DOMINANT(N169)G MosseJ Moore1261051710-3/4
66668
2.02.8030
99SANSHAAWES(S627)O DoleuzeM F de Kock1261089811-3/4
22239
2.02.9599
108UNCOILED(S626)K TeetanY Yahagi1261091112
3341010
2.02.9975
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Japanese superstar towed Vercingetorix by 6.5Ls in the Dubai Duty Free. Designs On Rome beat him by 2.5Ls in this Vercingetorix had to travel.
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I was spewing in this race with Epiphaneia. Moreira was more concerned in keeping him 3 wide the entire trip instead of letting his own mount roll along.

I think if the jap horse gets a better ride then it's a different result.
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Originally posted by LR80 LR80 wrote:

I was spewing in this race with Epiphaneia. Moreira was more concerned in keeping him 3 wide the entire trip instead of letting his own mount roll along.

I think if the jap horse gets a better ride then it's a different result.
Epiphaneia wasn't in a good mood before the race.

Moreria put the final nail in the coffin ensuring he got no cover.
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Got to say overall what they ship around the world, they are very effective?
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Originally posted by LR80 LR80 wrote:

I was spewing in this race with Epiphaneia. Moreira was more concerned in keeping him 3 wide the entire trip instead of letting his own mount roll along.

I think if the jap horse gets a better ride then it's a different result.

No doubt which was why it was a great ride of Moreira's and tremendous training effort too
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Originally posted by Ecair Issoire Ecair Issoire wrote:

were there any euros in the melb cup
field that pop rock + delta blues destroyed,..? only 1 race..i know.


Yeats
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Originally posted by saintly96 saintly96 wrote:

Originally posted by Ecair Issoire Ecair Issoire wrote:

were there any euros in the melb cup
field that pop rock + delta blues destroyed,..? only 1 race..i know.


Yeats
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Yeats- had one of the most ridiculous runs I have ever seen in a Melbourne Cup, missed the start and ridden along to take a position midfield on the rail then ended up 3 wide midfield Confused past the post first time, from the 1800m-1400m he had gone around 3 wide to find the lead. At the 1200m he was shaken right up to pressure the leader and clap on a ridiculous speed, at the 400m all the work finally caught up with him and he looked like was going to drop right out as he was paddling yet was coming again on the line to run 7th.
 
I have no doubt with some sort of half decent ride he runs a place and gets a lot closer to the two Japanese horses. I had Delta Blues pre Caulf Cup huge odds, the quinella and the buttered up for another go at the 20's and still the best result I have had in the cup but I think Yeats should have finished much closer.
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plus yeats had 60 kgs!
 
Pop rock beaten a head in the following years Japan cup!!
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Japanese horses are the best in the world.
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Yeats was a huge run. Given no chance by the jockey, did a great job to finish so close.
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Aidan O'Brien thought he would come here and smash the local hacks. But it was our most international Melbourne Cup ever. I wish the Japanese would come back.
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This race result indicates the quality of Japanese breeding.

JAPAN
YOMIURI MILERS CUP 
(Gr 2)
Kyoto1600 metres4yo+
27-Apr-2014Turf,Firm¥110160000
1.WORLD ACE by Deep Impact--Mandela, by Acatenango
bred by Northern Racing (JAPAN)
trained by Y. Ikee
ridden by A. Starke
2.FIERO by Deep Impact--Ruby, by Danehill
bred by Shadai Farm (JAPAN)
trained by H. Fujiwara
ridden by Y. Take
3.EXTRA END by Deep Impact--Carling, by Garde Royale
bred by Shadai Farm (JAPAN)
trained by K. Sumii
ridden by Y. Kawada
Margins- 1 1/4 length, 2 lengths




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can you elaborate why it's a good thing to have a single stallion trifecta a race?
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Fair question.

It was more the quality of the mares I was thinking of, but I was not clear on that.

Carling was a superstar racemare. Ruby is a sister to Rock Of Gibraltar and Mandela was a quality mare in Germany.

 





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And part of the reason they do not earn high timeform or International ratings is because of the bunched finishes in their top class races.


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Age
Weight
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PositionFinish
(1/10s)
MarginWin
Fav
Win
Odds
1c2c3c4c
1st611Shonan Lagoon(JPN)
C3
56.0141413132:26.5
1053.1
2nd12World Impact(JPN)
C3
56.086862:26.5HD12.6
3rd713Yamano Wizard(JPN)
C3
56.010911102:26.61/2410.0
4th510Gold Actor(JPN)
C3
56.068762:26.6NK722.5
5th36Pionero(JPN)
C3
56.08910102:26.7NK513.2
6th23Meiner Frost(JPN)
C3
56.033532:26.7HD36.5
7th816A Shin Erwin(IRE)
C3
56.0121213132:26.81/2950.5
8th59Win Malerei(JPN)
C3
56.033552:26.8NS1377.6
9th715Matenro Boss(JPN)
C3
56.0171716162:26.8NK16246.6
10th47Ferguson(JPN)
C3
56.0171716182:26.91/21268.6
11th35Langley(JPN)
C3
56.0151416162:26.9HD23.2
12th48Nanyo Mark(JPN)
C3
56.066862:27.1115179.4
13th817Champagne(JPN)
C3
56.011112:27.63836.1
14th24Teodorico(JPN)
C3
56.010911102:28.3414176.5
15th612Nasuno Aoba(JPN)
C3
56.055232:29.041157.0
16th11Taisei Cruise(JPN)
C3
56.0121215132:29.5317355.7
17th818Admiralship(JPN)
C3
56.022222:31.5DS618.6
18th714Ken Bridge Best(JPN)
C3
56.01514262:32.8818549.5




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Were the 3 mares sprinter/milers?

DI was a stayer with great turn of foot, good to see him sire milers.
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And 2 of the 3 horses I tried to buy for a partnership getting the quinella in the Tenno Sho. Pretty sure they'd be hard to beat in a MC. Had a decent win, backed both and had the quinella.
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CARRIE (JPN)Bay or brown filly 2016 
Manhattan Cafe
Brown 1998
Sunday Silence
Brown 1986
Halo
Bay or brown 1969
Hail to Reason
Brown 1958
Turn-To
Nothirdchance
1951
1948
1-w
4-n
Cosmah
Bay 1953
Cosmic Bomb
Almahmoud
1944
1947
14-f
2-d
Wishing Well
Bay 1975
Understanding
Chestnut 1963
Promised Land
Pretty Ways
1954
1953
14-b
1-g
Mountain Flower
Bay 1964
Montparnasse
Edelweiss
1956
1959
19>
3-e
Subtle Change
Bay 1988
Law Society
Bay or brown 1982
Alleged
Bay 1974
Hoist the Flag
Princess Pout
1968
1966
5-i
2-s
Bold Bikini
Bay 1969
Boldnesian
Ran-Tan
1963
1960
4-m
5-e
Santa Luciana
Brown 1973
Luciano
Brown 1964
Henry the Seventh
Light Arctic
1958
1954
12-f
7>
Suleika
Brown 1954
Ticino
Schwarzblaurot
1939
1947
20-b
16-c
Circuit Lady
Bay 2004
Grand Slam
Bay or brown 1995
Gone West
Bay 1984
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Secrettame
Chestnut 1978
Secretariat
Tamerett
1970
1962
2-s
2-f
Bright Candles
Chestnut 1987
El Gran Senor
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Sex Appeal
1961
1970
2-d
8-f
Christmas Bonus
Bay or brown 1978
Key to the Mint
Sugar Plum Time
1969
1972
2-n
9-c
Laguna Seca
Bay or brown 1992
Seattle Slew
Bay or brown 1974
Bold Reasoning
Bay 1968
Boldnesian
Reason to Earn
1963
1963
4-m
1-k
My Charmer
Bay 1969
Poker
Fair Charmer
1963
1959
1-s
13-c
Topicount
Chestnut 1985
Private Account
Bay 1976
Damascus
Numbered Account
1964
1969
8-h
1-s
Hot Topic
Chestnut 1979
The Minstrel
Gurkhas Band
1974
1972
8-f
3-o
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1 7 CARRIE (JPN) Danny O'Brien Damian Lane
8 56.5kg
$1.90F
Pakenham

Race 2 - 6:30PM Iron Jack Australian Lagers Maiden Plate (1600 METRES) Times displayed in local time of Race Meeting Of $35,000.1st $19,250, 2nd $6,300, 3rd $3,150, 4th $1,750, 5th $1,050, 6th $700, 7th $700, 8th $700, 9th $700, 10th $700
Prize money contribution totalling 3% will be directed to jockey and equine welfare prior to distribution
Maiden, Set Weights, Three-Years-Old and Upwards, Apprentices can claim.

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Gai’s mare Hokkaido Miss just won a maiden hurdle at the Bool.

Would have to be the first ever Japanese bred jumps winner in Australia??
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Would have to be surely LH.

See the Waterhouse extended family are all in the ownership.
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A Sebring I choose from the sales won over there this week.  After four unplace turf runs he won on the dirt!  Sometimes I think things are very strange.
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took me ages to work out last hope SC.  Sometimes my brain just doesn't work.
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