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max manewer
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You couldn't get much weaker than that, a score or more of young fellas old enough to be in the workforce, and they let that go unreported. Disgraceful, or it did not happen. Take your pick. As for Pell, he was cleared by the High Court, so don't bring him into it.
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monty1
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Pell might have been cleared of the kiddy fiddling but he moved his priests around from parish to parish knowing full well they had abused young children.
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monty1
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So none of this happened??? So you support Gerald Ryan and think this is all a conspiracy?
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max manewer
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I don't support Ryan at all, but I don't buy that dozens of young men were criminally assaulted, yet made no complaint to police. As I keep saying, please explain. This is, in any case, a very old story, why "old mate" dredges it up now, we might wonder.
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max manewer
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May well be the case that Pell did just that, but he would be only one of a host of people so involved. He was the tall poppy that was pursued, and not on that charge, but one that the High Court declined to accept he was responsible for.
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rusty nails
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No
They said it wasn’t proved beyond reasonable doubt. Big difference to “accepting he Wasn’t responsible “ And more people than Pell knew, so that makes it ok for all of them to have covered it up? |
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max manewer
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I said......" one that the High Court declined to accept he was responsible for."
That does not equate with ......“accepting he Wasn’t responsible “
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monty1
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So Pell was only one of a host of people involved! That makes it okay? It happened a long time ago so why dredge it up! Are you serious. So someone If was murdered 30 years ago, let’s not pursue that, it happened too long ago, why dredge it up.!
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max manewer
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monty, in the case of pedophile priests, many parents did go to the police, but received no encouragement to pursue the matter. Or were discouraged. They have not been pursued. The Ryan business was not even taken to the police, was it ?
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kavg
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Max, you need to read the reports again to understand that some were taken to police but nothing was done. This is not take news. Head out of the sand, open your eyes, read and comprehend before you start making claims.
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Not sure what Max finds wrong with the name Good Old Ted. Speedy 2yo trained by Cliff Fahler many moons ago.
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longevity does not equate to credibility
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Red Hare
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Poor Old Max couldn’t be more detached from reality.
What f-ing good would the cops have been in the 80s & 90s? Or the press for that matter? What good are they now?
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Bonjour
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At least George Pell was sent to trial, he might well have been released, and if he's innocent then justice has been done, BUT, he went to trial, Ryan and his accusers have not been in a court of law......that's the problem with all this, so many complainants but no police charges? 22 of them put their hands up and RVL did what?
Jesus H Christ, this should be a Four Corners or Sixty Minutes job, if my son suicided because he was fiddled with you could only guess what I would have done.......if Ryan did nothing then fine we move on...and apologise, but he should have to answer to the courts if he did these things.
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Tlazolteotl
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Isn't this the reason Ryan left Victoria? When was that? I'm thinking last century.
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Bonjour
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I wonder how Des Gleeson feels? As he said, he would never be training horses in VIC under his watch.
Of course this might all be a beat up and Gerald is a totally innocent and victimised man, that would explain the way he struts around the racecourse and holds court with some sycophant racing hacks, would it not? Some of these wannabe journos, or hacks will do anything for a story, as long as it doesn't rock the boat.
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As someone who has experienced sexual assault, let me explain something to you Max.
Depending on the personality of the individual, when it happens, you just go into shock. Survival mode. The adrenaline hits and you're hyper aware and you brain is screaming at you "is this happening? Am I dreaming? Wake up" When its over, you obsess over every little thing that happened leading up to the event. Every conversation. Every nuance, Did i give signals? Was it in my body language? Was I too familiar, too casual with my language? Have I contributed to this? Was this my fault? The more you obsess about it, the more your brain just wants the chaos to stop, and your thoughts turn to, "I need this job, if I say something he'll get me fired, who will hire me after this? What if he badmouths me and I never get another job?" When you add those two things together you find a lot of victims will try to take part blame themselves for what happened, or just want the entire thing to disappear, and so they don't go to the police. In my case It wasn't until another member of my family asked me whether this person was behaving inappropriately with me, because it was happening to them as well, that we approached our parents and went to the police. The charges were indecent assault, and he got off with a fine. Now think about the racing industry. These young impressionable employees have been assaulted by one of the biggest names in racing, and have been called into a major staff meeting infront of all their colleagues, I've no doubt that Moodie told them that Ryan was being dealt with, and there was no need to go to the police, as it would be dealt with in house. Being young, impressionable and wanting to stay in their jobs, I can tell you now, I'd have believed every word they'd said and gone along with it at that age.
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kavg
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Sorry to hear that Sparticus.
It is clear that you have taken control of it and not let it control you which is excellent and you should be proud of yourself. Unfortunately Max believes in fairytales and in the days when men were men and women belonged to men and the house.
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max manewer
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lol....I merely make the point that I would think it "incredible" that dozens of people would be subjected to serious criminal assaults, and nothing comes of it. These are more young adults, than children, remember.
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max manewer
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It isn't a matter for RVL in the first instance, it is a matter for the police and the courts, what needs to be explained, is why that did not happen. We know that the power of the church was what pedophile clergy exploited to avoid jail, I doubt a horse trainer could influence the normal course of justice. No doubt, in the past, many police were reluctant to be the one that put the skids under the church, by opening the pedophile clergy can of worms, given the immense standing of the church in those times. It would be like being the guy that shot Bambi. None of that, applies to this case.
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Bonjour
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What a load of codswallop, I was licensed by VRC back then, it was the worst kept secret in racing, when you're protected you're protected, it stunk then and it stinks now.
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kavg
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Well said bonjour.
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max manewer
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Protected ? From the police ? let's face it, when something like that happens, you don't run to racing admin, you run to law enforcement, I'd be hard to convince that dozens would be turned away.
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Bonjour
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Holey Moley Max, this is the VIC police we are talking about.
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Bonjour
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They are a service not a force, never have been, never will.
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max manewer
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If law enforcement turns a blind eye, there is always Australia's foremost crIme busters, ACA !
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Is anyone here a member of peterprofit or could get a copy of one of the articles? Ta
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to the victor
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Bonjour
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I used to love the bloke, but a few fellas he loves I don't! and for good reason, so no way I'll do the paywall thing.......he must have someone feeding him this stuff, someone in the know obviously, but it's still pie in sky until someone with kahuna's publishes the accusations........that wont happen......sadly.
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linghi11
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He seems to promise the world but barely delivers an atlas. Very little comes to fruition so I cannot justify paying for a blog that is largely about harness racing. There was an article that gave rise to my curiosity about an up and coming Victorian trainer
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to the victor
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Gay3
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Archie (letsgoracing) mentioned a couple of weeks ago that he was tied up in court most of the week in a litigation case he expected to go nowhere. Perhaps email Archie for some light on the Vic trainer issue?
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