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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

I had a look at that race he was beaten in.

Verry unlucky. 

Which race?

Surely your not suggesting a 16L defeat in a maiden came down to only bad luck?
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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

I had a look at that race he was beaten in.

Verry unlucky. 

Which race?

Surely your not suggesting a 16L defeat in a maiden came down to only bad luck?


Watch the race.

I am suggesting he wins.


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Will be fascinating to see how his spring plays out.

I assume going to Peter Moody that his campaign will kick off in Melbourne - any thoughts on what race he’d resume in?

Maybe a Heatherlie Hcp at 1700m or an Underwood Stks at 1800m?
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Just a continuation on splits for E.F. yesterday for people who maybe interested , Tofane last 600 in 35-34 , Away Game 35-08 , Incentivise 35-70 , considering the former are purely sprinters and had leaders to do the carting up, this horse done all the work which makes it exceptional. StarStarStar
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not bad that his dam is inbred to Noholme either Carioca!
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Yes furious I noticed that , but you had covered much more precise , I do enjoy seeing that great stallion somewhere down the line on the distaff side , btw was Planet Kingdom the horse that was in the water tank when the tragedy occurred .?
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Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

Just a continuation on splits for E.F. yesterday for people who maybe interested , Tofane last 600 in 35-34 , Away Game 35-08 , Incentivise 35-70 , considering the former are purely sprinters and had leaders to do the carting up, this horse done all the work which makes it exceptional. StarStarStar

To put it into perspective though, I once had a good stayer, his Mum won the AKL Cup, he was a 'cousin' to Tawrrific, staying blood through and through, he broke a metro track record running his last 600 in 33 and change, Water Boatman held the record and he won a Group 1, my bloke was good, real good but not a Gr1 horse, what I'm alluding to is, this fella has to find another 18 to 20 lengths to challenge the Brit/German/Japanese stayers if they come, he might, but he's got a long long way to go yet.
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Nothing of that sort of quality will be coming down here Bonjour. Nothing of that sort of quality has ever come down here.
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Who ever rated E.F. a good 4 yesterday may have been a smidge over the top , although Incenctivise came home about 4 off the the fence a baldy chestnut labouring in last place on the fence ( where it looked soft ) finished half a furlong last , both Tofane and Away Game came down closer to the outside fence , admittedly they raced about 6-8 with rail out .
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Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

He's got lots of winning 1/2 syblings so didn't come from nothing.  The dam has 3 stakes winners to her name.  The same thing in all of them.  Redoute's Choice line sire over the Last Tycoon sire line for the dam.
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Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

Who ever rated E.F. a good 4 yesterday may have been a smidge over the top , although Incenctivise came home about 4 off the the fence a baldy chestnut labouring in last place on the fence ( where it looked soft ) finished half a furlong last , both Tofane and Away Game came down closer to the outside fence , admittedly they raced about 6-8 with rail out .

Why is something not done about this Carioca, it happens every meeting, the times they are running at the Farm tells you somethings not right, are they protected at BRC? We need a clean out, AGAIN, it's playing the public off as fools.
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That strip Away a Game came down looked like a completely different piece of turf
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I agree with Afross and Shawy - long way to go until the two Cups. His win was impressive but let's not get too excited yet. Spring time is a different ball game. It will be interesting to see how he goes in the spring. 
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

I had a look at that race he was beaten in.

Verry unlucky. 

Which race?

Surely your not suggesting a 16L defeat in a maiden came down to only bad luck?

Yep I think Djebel is suggesting that bad luck did play a part in his 16L defeat. 
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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I wonder if anybody has bothered to watch that race ?
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He wasn't going to win that race anyway
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He's looks a big lump of a horse.  I'm pretty sure Yippyio was also.  But different colours.  Don't know if the syblings were big horses.
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Originally posted by TJMitchell TJMitchell wrote:

He wasn't going to win that race anyway

Blue Corner has come from last to run second 500 from home and still 2 lengths behind Incentivise.

Incentivise settled well in 5th spot on the rail when all the trouble started at about the 600m mark and just as he is being angled to make his run horses comeback into his lap. He was going at least as well as Blue Corner who stayed out of trouble and ran the winner to a length.

Incentivise was basically eased out of the race.

It seems Incentivise has grown a leg since they got rid of the blinkers.

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There's no doubt the interference meant he couldn't win but i still don't think he was going to anyway.
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That 16 lengths unlucky defeat it seems is the only time he wore blinkers. 
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Originally posted by TJMitchell TJMitchell wrote:

There's no doubt the interference meant he couldn't win but i still don't think he was going to anyway.

Sadly we will never be proven one or the other.

But if Blue Corner was able to go around him whilst he is getting hammered and go on and run a close length second I see no reason to believe Incentivise would not have rounded them up with an unimpeded run. 
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

I wonder if anybody has bothered to watch that race ?

I have watched the race. In my opinion I dont think its costs him the race but thats only my point of view. 
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Jamals mate came up with this humdinger -

Horses to have won races with Mirage Dancer 12 lengths away: Cracksman Incentivise
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EXACTLY 12 lengths. He was beaten 11.65, 11.9 and 11.2 the 3 starts prior to the Incentivise race
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And you'd imagine all those horses will be playing a role deep into the Melbourne Spring.

This guy is entitled to have earned enough ratings points to scrape into the two Cups at the bottom of the weights.
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

That 16 lengths unlucky defeat it seems is the only time he wore blinkers. 
Correct , and evens fav. $ 17 -00 next start , never raced in blinkers before or after , timid when boxed in with blinkers .
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Might have been a blessing that unlucky defeat in blinkers. If he gets up he probably keeps them on and just becomes another horse. 
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I've watched the 16 length defeat at Toowoomba and agree with Djebel.

According to racing QLD website he wore blinkers at his 1st 3 starts which were all defeats but has not worn them since.

He was actually badly held up/hampered in the straight at his debut over 1350. Doubt he would have won but probably placed. It is obvious though that he raced ungenerously with blinkers and is a different horse without them.
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

And you'd imagine all those horses will be playing a role deep into the Melbourne Spring.

This guy is entitled to have earned enough ratings points to scrape into the two Cups at the bottom of the weights.


Yeah, it certainly gives a decent guide to go by
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