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    Posted: 23 May 2021 at 6:12pm
Hi Team,
So I am at work and a mate calls, there is one in a sale that would fit your brief, I'm still flat from the loss of the Gem and insist I am out of this lottery,
He states a simple fact.
OK then mate don't whinge to me, you have given up and will never breed a handy horse.
So I look at the sale decide to give it a miss, the next day I notice she was passed in, I ring the farm and buy the mare.Wacko

Dandesha 2008 (FR) - Dansili - Darashandeh

https://www.agakhanstuds.com/Horse/200800221/EN

deceptive photo she is easy 16h

Any State, I would love to breed a Mile to 10F horse, but with my luck just a safe and healthy foal would be a massive achievement.

Again thank you so much to all that advised and helped with the Gem, she really did have a happy last couple of years. Would just walk around the paddock with her head on your shoulder, funny old girl.

So lets see what the collective mind comes up with


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I saw she had a Husson weanling colt withdrawn from the Gold Coast sale the other day.
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Pic of that colt at the link below if anyone is interested
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Wow that's a reality check right there.
1/2 nicely topped but horrible legs.
not windswept, but cow hocked, off hind and front is not much better.

hard to see that bloke ever withstanding the amount of work to be a race horse

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Well no-one could accuse you of lacking intestinal fortitude Baz!

Her best foal is by Pierro, so maybe look for him or Lonhro in possible sires, with maybe Danzig thrown in.
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Dansili seems to  like Sadler's Wells , so , maybe left field Could be say ,Smart Missile .Who is from the shoe family like Sadler's .This also brings in some speed which ii's needed imho , best of luck with her .
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Well no-one could accuse you of lacking intestinal fortitude Baz!

Her best foal is by Pierro, so maybe look for him or Lonhro in possible sires, with maybe Danzig thrown in.


Looking at the pedigree of Trevelyan, it would seem that the strength appears to be through Pierro's female line rather than the sire in my view. I would look at the European influences and one prospect that would be worth looking at would be Xtravagant. Pentire would seem to to reinforce some of the strengths of the mare's pedigree, as well as having Zabeel present who is the grandsire of Pierro.
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Is the budget unlimited , Oldflight ?
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Ok all of you know much more about leg problems than I do.  But what I have been told is you don't inbreed if there is a problem (well definately not to closely).  

Looking at the family alot of the stock only had 1 or 2 wins - even the stakes winners. 

But a few had that 5 to 8 wins.  Including one by Zabeel hense the Pierro cross probably being good.

Also this is a mare from the Danehill sire line and they cross well with Pierro, So You Think etc.  All probably above your price range.

But taking that I think look to Zabeel, Shamardal, Mr Prospector, Djebel, maybe a sex balanced Mill Reef etc?

In the affordable range and with maybe a better chance for a miler+ you have 

DARBAWAN (IRE)Bay colt 1989 
Lashkari
Bay 1981		Mill Reef
Bay 1968		Never Bend
Bay 1960		Nasrullah
Bay 1940		Nearco
Mumtaz Begum		1935
1932		4-r
9-c
Lalun
Bay 1952		Djeddah
Be Faithful		1945
1942		13-c
19-b
Milan Mill
Bay 1962		Princequillo
Bay 1940		Prince Rose
Cosquilla		1928
1933		10-c
1-b
Virginia Water
Grey 1953		Count Fleet
Red Ray		1940
1947		6-a
22-d
Larannda
Chestnut 1971		Right Royal
Brown 1958		Owen Tudor
Brown 1938		Hyperion
Mary Tudor		1930
1931		6-e
10-b
Bastia
Bay 1951		Victrix#
Barberybush		1934
1934		3-e
3-f
Morning Calm
Bay 1960		Crepello
Chestnut 1954		Donatello
Crepuscule		1934
1948		14-c
16-d
Bara Bibi
Bay 1951		Bois Roussel
Masaka		1935
1945		16-a
5-e
Darazina
Bay 1979		Labus
Brown 1971		Busted
Bay 1963		Crepello
Chestnut 1954		Donatello
Crepuscule		1934
1948		14-c
16-d
Sans le Sou
Bay 1957		Vimy
Martial Loan		1952
1950		1-u
2-s
Cordovilla
Bay 1957		Pharis
Brown 1936		Pharos
Carissima		1920
1923		13-e
20-a
Cordova
Bay 1951		Djebel
Caravelle		1937
1940		5-j
13-c
Djebellina
Bay 1965		Charlottesville
Bay 1957		Prince Chevalier
Bay 1943		Prince Rose
Chevalerie		1928
1933		10-c
9-f
Noorani
Chestnut 1950		Nearco
Empire Glory		1935
1933		4-r
14-a
Dalama
Chestnut 1957		Djebel
Bay 1937		Tourbillon
Loika		1928
1926		13-c
5-j
Pretty Lady
Bay 1942		Umidwar
La Moqueuse		1931
1925		3-e
1-e
 Ancestor duplications:Nearco5m x 5f Prince Rose5m x 5m Crepello4f x 4m 
  Djebelx 5f,4f     
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Unnamed

 

 

 

Crackerjack King (IRE)
Grey 2008

Shamardal
Bay 2002

Giant's Causeway
Chestnut 1997

Storm Cat
Bay or brown 1983

Storm Bird
Terlingua

1978
1976

4-j
8-c

Mariah's Storm
Bay 1991

Rahy
Immense

1985
1979

12-c
11>

Helsinki
Bay 1993

Machiavellian
Bay or brown 1987

Mr Prospector
Coup de Folie

1970
1982

13-c
2-d

Helen Street
Bay 1982

Troy
Waterway

1976
1976

1-b
1-l

Claba di San Jore
Grey 1999

Barathea
Bay 1990

Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981

Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge

1961
1975

2-d
5-h

Brocade
Bay 1981

Habitat
Canton Silk

1966
1970

4-r
14-a

Claw
Grey 1989

Law Society
Bay or brown 1982

Alleged
Bold Bikini

1974
1969

2-s
5-e

Crodas
Grey 1983

Shirley Heights
Croda Alta

1975
1975

1-l
1-e

Dandesha (FR)
Bay 2008

Dansili
Bay or brown 1996

Danehill
Bay 1986

Danzig
Bay 1977

Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom

1961
1968

2-d
7-a

Razyana
Bay 1981

His Majesty
Spring Adieu

1968
1974

4-d
2-d

Hasili
Bay 1991

Kahyasi
Bay 1985

Ile de Bourbon
Kadissya

1975
1979

4-i
5-e

Kerali
Chestnut 1984

High Line
Sookera

1966
1975

5-e
11>

Darashandeh
Bay 1994

Darshaan
Brown 1981

Shirley Heights
Bay 1975

Mill Reef
Hardiemma

1968
1969

22-d
1-l

Delsy
Brown 1972

Abdos
Kelty

1959
1965

1-e
13-c

Daralinsha
Bay 1984

Empery
Bay 1973

Vaguely Noble
Pamplona

1965
1956

1-d
2-s

Darazina
Bay 1979

Labus
Djebellina

1971
1965

13-c
1-e

 

 

Ancestor duplications:

Northern Dancer

5m x 5m

 

Shirley Heights

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Brutal (NZ)
Brown 2015

O'Reilly
Brown 1993

Last Tycoon
Bay or brown 1983

Try My Best
Bay 1975

Northern Dancer
Sex Appeal

1961
1970

2-d
8-f

Mill Princess
Bay 1977

Mill Reef
Irish Lass

1968
1962

22-d
8-c

Courtza
Bay 1986

Pompeii Court
Bay 1977

Tell
Port Damascus

1966
1971

2-f
1-p

Hunza
Brown 1970

Pakistan
Chatty Lady

1958
1961

6-d
13-b

Alberton Princess
Brown 2005

Golan
Bay 1998

Spectrum
Bay 1992

Rainbow Quest
River Dancer

1981
1983

14-f
1-l

Highland Gift
Bay 1993

Generous
Scots Lass

1988
1982

4-n
5-h

Straussbridge
Bay 1993

Straussbrook
Chestnut 1986

Opera Prince
Gay Georgina

1976
1977

2-s
2-e

Alberton Lass
Brown 1981

Adios
Magic River

1970
1976

6-f
13-a

Dandesha (FR)
Bay 2008

Dansili
Bay or brown 1996

Danehill
Bay 1986

Danzig
Bay 1977

Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom

1961
1968

2-d
7-a

Razyana
Bay 1981

His Majesty
Spring Adieu

1968
1974

4-d
2-d

Hasili
Bay 1991

Kahyasi
Bay 1985

Ile de Bourbon
Kadissya

1975
1979

4-i
5-e

Kerali
Chestnut 1984

High Line
Sookera

1966
1975

5-e
11>

Darashandeh
Bay 1994

Darshaan
Brown 1981

Shirley Heights
Bay 1975

Mill Reef
Hardiemma

1968
1969

22-d
1-l

Delsy
Brown 1972

Abdos
Kelty

1959
1965

1-e
13-c

Daralinsha
Bay 1984

Empery
Bay 1973

Vaguely Noble
Pamplona

1965
1956

1-d
2-s

Darazina
Bay 1979

Labus
Djebellina

1971
1965

13-c
1-e

 

 

Ancestor duplications:

Northern Dancer

5m x 5m

 

Mill Reef

5f x 5m

 

 

 

 
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Unnamed

 

 

 

Flying Artie (AUS)
Bay 2013

Artie Schiller
Bay 2001

El Prado
Grey 1989

Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981

Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge

1961
1975

2-d
5-h

Lady Capulet
Grey 1974

Sir Ivor
Cap and Bells

1965
1958

8-g
1-l

Hidden Light
Bay 1983

Majestic Light
Bay 1973

Majestic Prince
Irradiate

1966
1966

4-d
8-c

Tallahto
Bay 1970

Nantallah
Legato

1953
1956

6-a
13-c

Flying Ruby
Bay or brown 2004

Rubiton
Brown 1983

Century
Brown 1969

Better Boy
Royal Suite

1951
1960

2-n
20>

Ruby
Bay 1977

Seventh Hussar
Briar's Toddy

1966
1971

14-c
4-l

Parkhill's Flyer
Bay 1989

Brigand
Bay 1971

Noholme
Lady Sybil

1956
1957

1-u
22-b

Better Fantasy
Brown or black 1975

Better Boy
Pure Fantasy

1951
1968

2-n
7-d

Dandesha (FR)
Bay 2008

Dansili
Bay or brown 1996

Danehill
Bay 1986

Danzig
Bay 1977

Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom

1961
1968

2-d
7-a

Razyana
Bay 1981

His Majesty
Spring Adieu

1968
1974

4-d
2-d

Hasili
Bay 1991

Kahyasi
Bay 1985

Ile de Bourbon
Kadissya

1975
1979

4-i
5-e

Kerali
Chestnut 1984

High Line
Sookera

1966
1975

5-e
11>

Darashandeh
Bay 1994

Darshaan
Brown 1981

Shirley Heights
Bay 1975

Mill Reef
Hardiemma

1968
1969

22-d
1-l

Delsy
Brown 1972

Abdos
Kelty

1959
1965

1-e
13-c

Daralinsha
Bay 1984

Empery
Bay 1973

Vaguely Noble
Pamplona

1965
1956

1-d
2-s

Darazina
Bay 1979

Labus
Djebellina

1971
1965

13-c
1-e

 

 

Ancestor duplications:

Northern Dancer

5m x 5m

 

Better Boy

5m,5f x

 

 

 

 

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Really like the Djebel blood in Flying Artie for this mare and I'm pretty sure his stock will go the mile.

Zabeel is in Impending  While Shooting to Win is inbred to Mr Prospector

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Impending (AUS)
Bay 2013

Lonhro
Brown 1998

Octagonal
Brown 1992

Zabeel
Bay 1986

Sir Tristram
Lady Giselle

1971
1982

6-e
16-c

Eight Carat
Brown 1975

Pieces of Eight
Klairessa

1963
1969

3-o
9-c

Shadea
Bay 1988

Straight Strike
Bay or brown 1977

Mr Prospector
Bend Not

1970
1972

13-c
11>

Concia
Bay 1978

First Consul
My Tricia

1970
1974

5-f
8>

Mnemosyne
Bay 2002

Encosta de Lago
Bay 1993

Fairy King
Bay 1982

Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge

1961
1975

2-d
5-h

Shoal Creek
Chestnut 1988

Star Way
Rolls

1977
1984

6-e
4-g

My Juliet
Bay 1995

Canny Lad
Brown 1987

Bletchingly
Jesmond Lass

1970
1975

7-a
14>

Perfect Draw
Chestnut 1988

Whiskey Road
Proud Draw

1972
1980

4-d
13-a

Dandesha (FR)
Bay 2008

Dansili
Bay or brown 1996

Danehill
Bay 1986

Danzig
Bay 1977

Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom

1961
1968

2-d
7-a

Razyana
Bay 1981

His Majesty
Spring Adieu

1968
1974

4-d
2-d

Hasili
Bay 1991

Kahyasi
Bay 1985

Ile de Bourbon
Kadissya

1975
1979

4-i
5-e

Kerali
Chestnut 1984

High Line
Sookera

1966
1975

5-e
11>

Darashandeh
Bay 1994

Darshaan
Brown 1981

Shirley Heights
Bay 1975

Mill Reef
Hardiemma

1968
1969

22-d
1-l

Delsy
Brown 1972

Abdos
Kelty

1959
1965

1-e
13-c

Daralinsha
Bay 1984

Empery
Bay 1973

Vaguely Noble
Pamplona

1965
1956

1-d
2-s

Darazina
Bay 1979

Labus
Djebellina

1971
1965

13-c
1-e

 

 

Ancestor duplications:

Northern Dancer

5m x 5m

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unnamed

 

 

 

Shooting to Win (AUS)
Chestnut 2011

Northern Meteor
Bay 2005

Encosta de Lago
Bay 1993

Fairy King
Bay 1982

Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge

1961
1975

2-d
5-h

Shoal Creek
Chestnut 1988

Star Way
Rolls

1977
1984

6-e
4-g

Explosive
Bay 1990

Fappiano
Bay 1977

Mr Prospector
Killaloe

1970
1970

13-c
16-a

Scuff
Chestnut 1979

Forli
Moccasin

1963
1963

3-b
5-h

Listen Here
Chestnut 2004

Elusive Quality
Bay 1993

Gone West
Bay 1984

Mr Prospector
Secrettame

1970
1978

13-c
2-f

Touch of Greatness
Bay 1986

Hero's Honor
Ivory Wand

1980
1973

1-s
13-c

Announce
Bay 1994

Military Plume
Bay 1983

Sir Tristram
Ultraviolet

1971
1972

6-e
10-d

Theme Song
Bay 1987

Sackford
Cotehele House

1980
1980

20>
9-c

Dandesha (FR)
Bay 2008

Dansili
Bay or brown 1996

Danehill
Bay 1986

Danzig
Bay 1977

Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom

1961
1968

2-d
7-a

Razyana
Bay 1981

His Majesty
Spring Adieu

1968
1974

4-d
2-d

Hasili
Bay 1991

Kahyasi
Bay 1985

Ile de Bourbon
Kadissya

1975
1979

4-i
5-e

Kerali
Chestnut 1984

High Line
Sookera

1966
1975

5-e
11>

Darashandeh
Bay 1994

Darshaan
Brown 1981

Shirley Heights
Bay 1975

Mill Reef
Hardiemma

1968
1969

22-d
1-l

Delsy
Brown 1972

Abdos
Kelty

1959
1965

1-e
13-c

Daralinsha
Bay 1984

Empery
Bay 1973

Vaguely Noble
Pamplona

1965
1956

1-d
2-s

Darazina
Bay 1979

Labus
Djebellina

1971
1965

13-c
1-e

 

 

Ancestor duplications:

Northern Dancer

5m x 5m

 

Mr Prospector

5m,5m x

 

 

 

 

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All the above you would imagine would get more of a miler type.  You could try the Galileo line also as he has Mr Prospector.
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Hi All,
Wow thank you so much Furious,  Goldey, Gay3, Progold, SC,
much to look at
Oh the budget in $15k or under no issues on what farm

Cheers Again Baz
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Originally posted by oldflight oldflight wrote:

Dandesha 2008 (FR) - Dansili - Darashandeha

Any State, I would love to breed a Mile to 10F horse

Pierro's dam is bred on a reverse cross to High Chaparral, and Pierro himself is bred on a reverse cross to Dundeel and Alpine Eagle.  Castelvecchio is a son of Dundeel, So You Think has the High Chap line, and Quick Thinker is still an entire so he might be worth considering when he goes to the shed.

Glass Harmonium's dam is bred on the same cross as Pierro's dam.

Grunt has the line to Zabeel through his second dam and a cross to Mill Reef through his sireline.

If you decide you need a nice winter holiday, you and the mare could fly across the Tasman and she could have a date with Zed while you went skiing on Mt Taranaki.  (Possibly the best value of the bunch IMO, especially if you get a ski vacation as part of the deal.)

And if you want to breed a stayer and aren't particular about pedigree, there's always Fiorente.
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Saw in another post that D'Argento will be standing next season, and as a son of So You Think he has the High Chap line.
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Peltzer too at about $16k Confused

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Hello,
I know I'm a month too late.

When i saw th ped of "My Oberon" I noted he is from the same damline as "Dandesha". Just for fun I did 
a hypomating, to see how it will be "constructed"
My Oberon - Dandesha:
4x6 Darazina
3x4 Danehill
4x5 Shirley Heights
4x5x6 Danzig
5x6 High Line
5x6 Mr. Prospector
6x6 Roberto
6x6 Buckpasser
5x6x6x6 ND

Crackerjack King has a "relative" in AUS. His name is "Power (by Oasis Dream), he stands at the "Oaklands Stud" in Queensland. The mating would  lok as following:
Power - Dandesha
4x4 Danzig
5x5x6x6 ND
5x5 Mill Reef
6x6x6 Never Bend
5x6 Blushing Groom
6x6 Nijinsky
6x6 Busted

Dandesha is from the foundationmare of the "Aga Khan Studs" her name was "Pretty Lady". A strain of Family 1 widely related with the more influential Malva (Blenheim/His Grace/King Salon, Summertime). Crackerjack King and Power are descents of Malva

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HI Ticino and the greater Team.
Never to late Brother to add input and I am very grateful to everybody who has added their valuable input .
I know it is a failing of my personal preference and has zero statistical evidence but I always love a double cross of Mill Reef.
If anybody has any final thoughts please add them.
I would like to keep her in Vic but anywhere is good.

Cheers Baz
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Brutal has that double and a f x m to boot.
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Not likely to get a miler/10f horse but I really like Bel Esprit for her...
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Hi Team,
So as a unit, the dude I am in Dandesha with and I have decided to stay in Vic this season with the mare.
Below is a short list, to hopefully get a miler to 10f horse; (but as we know with my luck, the dream is a healthy foal)

In no order of preference;
Tosen Stardom
Endless Drama
National Defense
Royal Meeting
Vinno Rosso
Artie Schiller

And an SA over the border
Akeed Mafeed

all for many different reasons and all under $10k
some less than half of that

Some honest assessments if you could would be great
PM me if you want to know the dollars of what was offered, not asked for

Cheers Old Flight

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Might be worth taking a look at Johannes Vermeer.

Just annouced to stand at Cornwall Park for $11K.
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Hello, Oldflight,
I see you meanwhile made up your mind, of the mating of your mare "Dandesha".
Nevertheless I spot one more interesting sire, Almanzor (by Wootton Bassett). He was bred in France, but shuttles to NZ ; according my info the "Cambridge Stud". It's some distance from AUS, but not so far away as Europe.

The hypomating:
Almanzor - Dandesha
3x5  Daralinsha
4x6 Danzig
5x6 ND
5x6 Mill Reef
6x6 Natalma
6x6 Buckpasser

regards, Ticino
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Daarabah, After looking at the weanling by Husson, I wouldnt be putting her to Bel Esprit. Even though hes a grand stallion in some ways.  I think its very important to look at not only bloodlines here but a very correct stallion with excellent legs and who is prepotent.
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Completely agree SD 
Confirmation will be paramount the Husson weaning in my humble opinion has no hope of with standing basic education without some devine intervention.
It is hard at the minute to get around and see babies and yearlings to get a broader knowledge base on which to make a decision, especially with the Sires with no exposed runners.
I think that brings Artie back into the frame
Does anyone have some real knowledge on why Johannes Vermeer had such a stop / start career

Cheers Old Flight   
  
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Well Dandesha has had a Fiorente Colt, we were booked to National Defense and were the next mornings cover when his accident happened.
So sad for all involved so a quick decision had to be made and Fiorente it was, Kimberley Mine mentioned it in one post, so lucky the result was a slight improvement to the Husson from a few years ago (previous owners)




These were at 6 weeks
She was covered a couple of days ago by Earthlight so fingers crossed
Cheers to everybody who took the time to comment along the journey,
my mate who is the most amazing dreamer, has already stated 6 starts and into the SA Derby in May 2026, I told him if he has got to a track unscathed by them we would be lucky.

Ciao For Now Baz
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