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sometimes as little as $7 but the average is around $40 the later it gets the less money..
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sometimes as little as $7 but the average is around $40 the later it gets the less money..
Is there any chance you can get set with a corporate bookie at tote odds ? Then it would be a goer.
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sometimes as little as $7 but the average is around $40 the later it gets the less money..
Is there any chance you can get set with a corporate bookie at tote odds ? Then it would be a goer.
Especially if you could throw $50 on a no hoper and then back the first and second favourite at tote odds with decent bets.
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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

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I think you should share your bets for one day right here so we can see what you do, examples of, and before the race meeting not after. I doubt anyone is going to ruin your market or prices, but you should show up, put up what you do and how much $ instead of all this cloak and dagger I'm a pro stuff.
Bit hard to share any bets as I bet in the last 2 minutes before a race start, taking advantage of the latest possible  bookies' odds. Prior to betting on a race I have only a rough idea on what horses I will place my bets, just as it was the days of the commission rooms for high value punters back in the 1980s and 1990s.
How about tomorrow, you post your bets, and an explanation of the strategy behind each one.

Doesn’t have to be before the first leg jumps.but shortly after would be good.

No one expects a 100% success rate.
So, don’t be shy.ble
What is the point of me telling you what daily doubles I have going alive, you cannot benefit by that information.
If I am fortunate and I have got the first leg up in the daily double and you backed all the horses I had going in the second leg of the double that would be pointless as I cover most of the second leg chances in the betting .


You have made at least 100 posts, telling us you can spot overs without doing any form.
I’m asking you to demonstrate it.
Whilst explaining before it’s all over, how you identified the opportunities.
No one can pinch your market, no downside for you.
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Paper shorteners for starters ...I will leave it that , but knowing how to couple them up with which runners in second legs of daily doubles is an in house secret. It took me years to work that out .
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Didn’t think so….

Zeljko can’t win without generous rebates.
Using a bank of computers an international bank would envy, and a floor filled with form experts.

But you outperform him, knowing absolutely nothing about form, raving/track bias,  without even blocking the tote window…..

Out of curiosity what is the doubles pool on a Saturday worth these days?
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Race 5 SWINDON Greyhounds Racing Betting & Odds - TAB.com.au

I find pools like this entertaining.

I'm guessing someone has had $0.50 each way on the 6, while $3.50 each way in total has been punted on the 2.  The quinella pool no doubt boosted by a jackpot from a previous race with a similar situation.  The $2.50 punted on the tri sees another pool get a $1.96 boost.

Surely the meagre profit the TAB gather from desperates punting on British dogs in the early hours are not covering the costs?
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What costs ?

And the "MPT" - which stands for "mixed pool technology" - facilitates small pool sixes to apportioned across the different Exotic Bet types . Its almost impossible to get your head around - & I'm sure the it increases take out rates too TAB. However you would never know as one they wont give up the individual pool sizes anymore - & two, Einstein is dead
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"sizes"
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https://help.tab.com.au/s/article/MPT-FAQ?_ga=2.238223944.974788314.1674195354-1844586172.1668223170
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& if you can get your head around that you are better than me gunga din LOL
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Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Didn’t think so….

Zeljko can’t win without generous rebates.
Using a bank of computers an international bank would envy, and a floor filled with form experts.

But you outperform him, knowing absolutely nothing about form, raving/track bias,  without even blocking the tote window…..

Out of curiosity what is the doubles pool on a Saturday worth these days?

Doubting Thomas, who cares what the size of the pools are if a bookie will set you for the tote dividend.  What you seem to misunderstand Zeljko is betting huge money into tote pools and is cruelling his own dividend, if he bet a smaller amount, although he would make a lesser profit without that rebate, he would still make a profit.
BTW, my turnover today would be 40 times less than it was all those years ago, and if you allow for inflation more like 120 times less, so no bookie worth their own salt is too worried about me winning off them.



 
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Huh?
Which bit confuses you?
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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Didn’t think so….

Zeljko can’t win without generous rebates.
Using a bank of computers an international bank would envy, and a floor filled with form experts.

But you outperform him, knowing absolutely nothing about form, raving/track bias,  without even blocking the tote window…..

Out of curiosity what is the doubles pool on a Saturday worth these days?

Doubting Thomas, who cares what the size of the pools are if a bookie will set you for the tote dividend.  What you seem to misunderstand Zeljko is betting huge money into tote pools and is cruelling his own dividend, if he bet a smaller amount, although he would make a lesser profit without that rebate, he would still make a profit.
BTW, my turnover today would be 40 times less than it was all those years ago, and if you allow for inflation more like 120 times less, so no bookie worth their own salt is too worried about me winning off them.



 
Hmmm, for someone who claims to have made a profit for decades, betting exclusively on tote pools, it’s hard to fathom how you could possibly state that pool size is of no consequence.
Even the most inexperienced punters understand that small pool sizes means dividends become a lucky dip.one bet at the death by anyone else,can turn your 4.00 pop into 1.80 or $10.

Your assessment on Zeljko is bizarre!
You tell us he’s doing it wrong, and if he did as you suggest, he’d make less moneyShocked.
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You need to understand MPT better Rusty.

It takes away that "lucky dip" LOL

For Exotics anyway
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This is a laymen's explanation - you rob Peter to pay Paul - but Pauls no worse off

And Jack (TAB) picks up a few coins that get dropped during the transfer - but neither Peter & Paul are any worse off for it. 
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Oops - & Peters no worse off either Embarrassed
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So as I understand it - regardless of pool size - the TAB swipe money from one pool to put into another like pool. And this occurs even in pools that have differing take-out rates Confused
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

You need to understand MPT better Rusty.

It takes away that "lucky dip" LOL

For Exotics anyway
Best you keep reading the TAB q & a, and let the grown ups bickerWink
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When it was first introduced it got blocked by Racing NSW as they thought it could potentially diddle them out of some coin. Few changes made & all good. Ouch

The claim was also made that the technology had been purchased from the US - & was used routinely in the volatile Technology markets. I have absolutely no idea what any of that meant at the time - but it sure sounded good.
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I'll tell you what would be a bit of fun

If about 20 of us got onto the dopes in TAB customer service at the same time & asked for an explanation on what that little yellow "MPT" logo was down next to pool sizes - & could they explain how it worked.

Listening to JJ's & Redemptions' banter with the customer service representative would be gold LOL
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Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Didn’t think so….

Zeljko can’t win without generous rebates.
Using a bank of computers an international bank would envy, and a floor filled with form experts.

But you outperform him, knowing absolutely nothing about form, raving/track bias,  without even blocking the tote window…..

Out of curiosity what is the doubles pool on a Saturday worth these days?

Doubting Thomas, who cares what the size of the pools are if a bookie will set you for the tote dividend.  What you seem to misunderstand Zeljko is betting huge money into tote pools and is cruelling his own dividend, if he bet a smaller amount, although he would make a lesser profit without that rebate, he would still make a profit.
BTW, my turnover today would be 40 times less than it was all those years ago, and if you allow for inflation more like 120 times less, so no bookie worth their own salt is too worried about me winning off them.



 
Hmmm, for someone who claims to have made a profit for decades, betting exclusively on tote pools, it’s hard to fathom how you could possibly state that pool size is of no consequence.
Even the most inexperienced punters understand that small pool sizes means dividends become a lucky dip.one bet at the death by anyone else,can turn your 4.00 pop into 1.80 or $10.

Your assessment on Zeljko is bizarre!
You tell us he’s doing it wrong, and if he did as you suggest, he’d make less moneyShocked.
Do you understand I do not bet on the win tote anywhere, but only bet on daily doubles at obscure interstate race meetings where ,outside of the residents in that home state , nobody even knows the form / jockeys/ trainers or even where to town, let alone the track, maybe located eg Dalby (Qld ), is it somewhere in the outback or near Toowoomba ??? , Tuncurry (NSW) or Edenhope (Vic ) . The TAB pool on the Edenhope DD on the Qld  TAB would not be much more than $1000 and nobody in Qld, or for that matter in NSW,  is going to launch a plunge on that daily double, yet I have found a bookie who will bet me the best dividend of the 3 TABs. As I am able to capitalise on that loophole of the best dividend I can show a small profit.
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Your biggest competitor Bob are the little old ladies that pick the same numbers every double  LOL
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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Originally posted by Fiddlesticks Fiddlesticks wrote:

sometimes as little as $7 but the average is around $40 the later it gets the less money..
Is there any chance you can get set with a corporate bookie at tote odds ? Then it would be a goer.

The only way I know of this being done is if you have an account with one of those bookies, usually Malaysia or Singapore where they will take your bet and pay tote odds. Those pools are seriously dynamic, you could spend a hundred bucks and make that pool your own to swim in. Fixed odds go up very very late and they are usually super strange with nearly all dogs the same price. 
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Bob would you bet into a triple trio if they had that bet here ? or is it possible to bet into that hong kong tote offshore or not ? 
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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

Didn’t think so….

Zeljko can’t win without generous rebates.
Using a bank of computers an international bank would envy, and a floor filled with form experts.

But you outperform him, knowing absolutely nothing about form, raving/track bias,  without even blocking the tote window…..

Out of curiosity what is the doubles pool on a Saturday worth these days?

Doubting Thomas, who cares what the size of the pools are if a bookie will set you for the tote dividend.  What you seem to misunderstand Zeljko is betting huge money into tote pools and is cruelling his own dividend, if he bet a smaller amount, although he would make a lesser profit without that rebate, he would still make a profit.
BTW, my turnover today would be 40 times less than it was all those years ago, and if you allow for inflation more like 120 times less, so no bookie worth their own salt is too worried about me winning off them.



 
Hmmm, for someone who claims to have made a profit for decades, betting exclusively on tote pools, it’s hard to fathom how you could possibly state that pool size is of no consequence.
Even the most inexperienced punters understand that small pool sizes means dividends become a lucky dip.one bet at the death by anyone else,can turn your 4.00 pop into 1.80 or $10.

Your assessment on Zeljko is bizarre!
You tell us he’s doing it wrong, and if he did as you suggest, he’d make less moneyShocked.
Do you understand I do not bet on the win tote anywhere, but only bet on daily doubles at obscure interstate race meetings where ,outside of the residents in that home state , nobody even knows the form / jockeys/ trainers or even where to town, let alone the track, maybe located eg Dalby (Qld ), is it somewhere in the outback or near Toowoomba ??? , Tuncurry (NSW) or Edenhope (Vic ) . The TAB pool on the Edenhope DD on the Qld  TAB would not be much more than $1000 and nobody in Qld, or for that matter in NSW,  is going to launch a plunge on that daily double, yet I have found a bookie who will bet me the best dividend of the 3 TABs. As I am able to capitalise on that loophole of the best dividend I can show a small profit.
Your betting into pools of $1k, you reckon the dividends are stable, your a consistent winner, getting top tote, and the bookie hasn’t restricted you?
Pull the other one.
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Your biggest competitor Bob are the little old ladies that pick the same numbers every double  LOL
Not wrong or those that take the same jockey or the two pre-post favourites in both legs, or even better those that take two outsiders, there would not be enough money in the pool to pay anything like an all-up bet. Sorry, I am giving too much away now Wink
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