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jujuno
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A question asked on Pointless, yesterday, prompted me to look up which countries are considered the healthiest. Most were predictable, with Australia coming in at number 7, and the U.S., not surprisingly, coming in at about number 35.
Spain was numero uno. Italy second. Iceland third. Japan fourth. Then came Switzerland, Sweden, Australia, Singapore, Norway and Israel. England was 17th, which surprised me. I thought they'd be worse than the Yanks. Their food was fairly disgusting when I was there three years ago. We struggled to find either fresh or modern-style food, with one meal at a pub so ridiculously loaded with potatoes, peas and huge broiled ugly lamb chops, I couldn't get through even a quarter of it. It was bland, boring and out-of-date. At least, in America, you can get fajitas, tacos and salads, even if the rest of their diet is a heart-attack waiting to happen. We have some of the freshest food in the world, here in Australia. Also, influences from imaginative countries like Japan and other Asian nations. We have good restaurants, stringent hygiene laws, a climate conducive to outdoor dining and fairly clean waters to harvest fresh fish. Our cattle are relatively disease free, and our sheep produce some of the tenderest lamb in the world. So, it's not surprising we figure high on the list. Scandinavian countries peppered the top of the list, with their diet of fish and their encouragement of healthy pursuits in all that unpolluted air. Countries like The Netherlands also figured highly, with bicycling a huge preference, over cars. So...in a country with such a wonderful reputation, why are we having problems with obesity? |
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Dizzy
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Alcohol and a sedentary lifestyle? Badly educated and low incomes...oh and alcohol?
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jujuno
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don't get me started on the alcohol issue...
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Very true re alcohol in Oz. And fast food. Guilty as charged.
I lived off and on in Spain for a few years (Basque region so a bit different to most of Spain) and it doesn't surprise me they are doing well. They have respect for food, they like it fresh (apart from the bloody ancient smoked legs of ham they hang in their kitchens!) and they get out and about a lot, if only because they live in highrise apartments with bigger families etc, and just HAVE to get out as much as possible! They also still have big family lunches every day, followed by siestas, and then a smaller evening meal - THAT in itself must lead to a healthier life, if you add it up daily over 70+ years. Compare it to the life of many Aussies/ Brits/ Yanks, stressed working without a break, no regular healthy connection to family/ friends/ fun, fast food, alcohol to get through the grind, etc etc. The wealthier western nations are literally "spoiled rotten", IMO. |
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jujuno
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a daily siesta has been proven to be beneficial to health.
so long as it's not too long. The French will tell you that their version of a 'siesta' is even more beneficial...lol... |
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Kimberley Mine
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Healthy food and good exercise will only get a person so far. For things that are beyond the power of healthy living to prevent, the UK has the NHS. The US has a disorganized, very expensive mishmash of privatised and public care that leaves many people stuck in the bind of "do I pay my electric bill or take my child to the dentist." People in the US regularly die from self-rationing health care due to cost. Insulin for Type 1 diabetics (an autoimmune disease that cannot be prevented by healthy lifestyles) is one of the more common things that people will ration due to cost and that causes people to be sicker and die younger. Epinephrine injectables cost up to $300 US per pen...that's a car payment. In New Zealand it costs $50 for an Epi-pen. |
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They also eat like pigs.
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jujuno
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yes, the food portions in the US are astronomical.
We ended up ordering one meal only and shared. 3 of us. I don't think they ever heard of the minimalist food era... |
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jujuno
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it's a never-ending wonderment that the supposedly greatest country in the world has one of the worst health systems. But the American diet leaves a lot to be desired. |
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Only if you look at it from a purely economic standpoint, and ignore the impact of systemic racism in the USA. The reason the USA doesn't have a national health system, or even a state system similar to what Australia or Canada have, is that white Americans in positions power have epic tantrums at the idea of providing government services to black people. |
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The Australian Health System has big waiting lists and great difficulties coping. You can expect many sick people to die due to Ambulance Services and Emergency area overload . no elective surgery and so on .... Because of the Hysterical reactions over covid .
Fancy clowns telling people to ring an Ambulance if they have a sniffle, to get tested for virus. . In AUSTRALIA , 18000 people die per year to Medical errors. |
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What constitutes healthy, and if it is considered healthy today will it still be in 5 or 10 years time?
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jujuno
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this is going a little off-track.
I didn't want the thread to be about politics and health systems. It was meant to discuss actual diet and lifestyles, which can lead to either a healthy life or early death. In Scandinavia they eat a lot of oily fish and exercise in very cool conditions, which promotes good health. In Spain and Italy, the consumption of olive oil and outdoor dining is a factor. In Australia, we have all the advantages of good food and relatively clean air (when the RFS isn't burning off or bushfires aren't raging). Yet, despite our high ranking on the world health chart, we still seem to have more obese children, who will grow into obese adults. Why? |
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Vitamin D is very good and I’m off to get some now
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jujuno
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I take vit D and vit A, having read Lady Cilento's studies on the benefits of A for lung health.
Most other vitamin supplements are generally unnecessary, with a healthy diet. |
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Gay3
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Errrr..............sunlight is free & presently available? |
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Passing Through
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Shhh.
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jujuno
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true as that may be, not everyone has access to enough vit D from sunshine. Experts are now saying that perhaps our reliance on sunscreen to filter out ultraviolet rays is also leading to the increase in vit D deficiency. |
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stayer
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What is this "sunlight" of which you speak? What sorcery is this? Is it in the Great Outside Land?
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Gay3
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I figured living in the Ballarat area, presently with Sun, that everywhere would be privvy to it! Apparently not so
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stayer
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You spoke too soon, Gay. "No sun for you!" Says Dan to Ballarat today.
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Unless you've had a melanoma and they suggest less time in the sun. And I never sun baked in my youth at all. Two sisters did! I feel hard done by.
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Has anyone else read Dr Norman Swan's book So You Think You Know What's Good For You? He (not surprisingly) pulls together truckloads of research and science into bite-size summaries. In short, the Med diet comes up trumps but it's boosted by their lifestyle of growing their own food and gardening/farming into old age. And he says it's not just the olive oil but the vinegar too. Anyway, I'm back to my paddock slashing, fresh air and copious vit D (sorry stayer )
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GAJ
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This is true, I am or we are versed on Vitamin D, My BH has studied it for a long time. Unfortunately living further south limits your intake of Vit D, also certain times of the day are preferable, when your shadow in smaller that you is the most beneficial, though we are told not to go out in the sun in the middle of the day due to skin cancer! Having a session in the sun with a lot of your body exposed for 10 -20 minutes depending on the time of year is a very good source of Vit D, but sunscreen will stop the absorption. A skin specialist once told me not to use sunscreen, he doesn't put it on his children as he thinks the chemicals in it are harmful. He said, just get a bit of sun and cover up with a hat and long sleeves. I currently take Bronson Vitamin D3 - 10,000 IU during the cooler months when I am too chicken to sunbathe! You must also take K2 at a different time of day or eat very freshly picked greens. K has a half life of about 8 hours in vegetables. Too much D can cause your calcium to build up in the wrong places and Vit K with ensure it is laid down in the bones. |
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Stop it,
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jujuno
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very interesting, Gaj. My daughter has to use sunscreen as she burns easily, but in the same breath, certain sunscreens cause her skin to inflame. We have had to resort to baby lotion. On Vit D. The recommended dose is 1000 IU to 2000 IU, but some studies say that these doses are too low to be of real benefit. 10000 IU, though, shouldn't be taken over too long a period or can lead to toxicity.
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GAJ
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I started on 30000 a day and come down to 10000 which is one tablet. We have looked into toxicity and Vitamin D, some studies may come up with that and others not, One of the products available has 50000 iu in one pill ! I know how good I feel when on it and honestly haven't had as much as a sniffle since taking it. It is also a good mood lifter for people who suffer from anxiety and depression. I guess that's why holidays in the sun are so popular! As for sunscreen, I think zinc based ones from the health store maybe safe for your daughter, they would be free of nasty stuff I'm sure. I had a melanoma about 20 years ago, and at that stage not aware of vitamin D, told by my mother and grandmother to stay out of the sun and look after your skin or you'll age quickly! Every cell receptor in your body needs vitamin D. So many illnesses later, breast cancer thirty one years ago, the above mentioned etc started me on the search for better health. What can survive without the sun? apart from some creepy crawlies!!
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I'm someone who has spent more time outdoors than indoors but a recent blood test showed low vitamin D count. Doc has put me on a vitamin tablet to have once daily. Latest test showed some improvement.
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GAJ
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Hi Shawy, yes that can happen because you may be wearing a hat, long sleeves, sunscreen etc. Get naked, lay out there like star fish for 20 minutes An old friend of mine was diagnosed with breast cancer a few years ago, was found to have very low vit D even though she was outside all the time with her ponies. Sleeved and hat, sunscreen etc - her husband a Professor! took Vit D daily as he spent his time indoors didn't see the need for his wife to be on it? Sadly she passed away. If you look up Grass Roots health there is a lot of information on the benefits of good levels of Vit D and its function in the prevention of many serious ailments.
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