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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Hang on, no ones arguing she wouldn’t or shouldn’t have won. But Waller should have some questions to answer. Doubt he will.


Why? They announced change of tactics
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No wonder Waller didn’t run The Autumn Sun. The way D’Argento set the race up, he would have been very hard to hold out carrying 7.5kgs less than Winx.
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Happened again in the last
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Originally posted by Heavy10 Heavy10 wrote:

Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Hang on, no ones arguing she wouldn’t or shouldn’t have won. But Waller should have some questions to answer. Doubt he will.


Why? They announced change of tactics


To settle closer, apparently. Looks like they had the intention of leading.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Yeah mate, they all got together over a beer/wineand conspired to hand the race to the great mare.

Don't know if Aiden was present or on phone relay from Northern Island, however he was apparently supping Guinness.  As for the Middle Eastern guys, in the absence of alcohol they probably tried some Khashoggi Red.  Wink

Small correction. Probably at his training base in County Tipperary in the southern part of Ireland at Ballydoyle.

I don't think he conspires much and would be pretty happy how some of his horses have been performing Down Under.

BTW I'm currently on my last assignment in my career - and its in Ireland. Was at Naas on Sunday and saw his son win.....

Cheers. Will have to come back to OZ and do some conspiring.
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The horse jumped in front and was on the fence, the race had no natural leader, doesn't matter what pace he would have run at it was clear nothing showed the intent to lead him, if he tried to tug him back everyone would be screaming that he's making the horse pull despite being a leader bias and gifting the race to Winx. Ermm
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It made sense on a leader's bias track to take an outsider to the front. Do you really think it's going to come from behind and outsprint Winx? 
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Frankel had a pacemaker didn't he?
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Originally posted by Smoke and Mirrors Smoke and Mirrors wrote:

That race was a joke, completely set up so she would win.

This is why there are wars LOL
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I don’t think anyone thought he would come from behind and beat Winx. Perhaps owners (and punters in Winx out markets, tris etc) might have expected better than a 10 L second last.
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Originally posted by Sneck Sneck wrote:

Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

I'm interested how getting Godolphin, Weir, O'Brien and the Pittmans to agree to let her win seems more logical then a horse unbeaten since the '15 autumn being to good for them again.
Stablemate is ridden against not only his pattern but the stable pattern and we get clowns posting strawmen like this when people comment on it.
Jog on.


It was reported prior to the race that the stablemate would race further forward, he fired out of the barriers and nothing else wanted to be there early so what else could the jockey do? Also he set a decent pace but he hardly scorched the turf, lets face it he would never beat Winx from behind her, so this was probably his best way to pull off the upset but in reality this race was probably a class above him.

Suspect you'll find the clown when you next look in the mirror.
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Exactly.  Wink
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I doubt Dargento leading made it any easier for Winx particularly. If anything it gave Benbatl a nice run in behind the leaders. Either way she still wins.

Dargento tried something different as long shots often do on a leader biased track but just not good enough. Finished about where the market said it would, as did most runners. I don’t see the fuss.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Originally posted by Sneck Sneck wrote:

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Yeah mate, they all got together over a beer/wineand conspired to hand the race to the great mare.  Don't know if Aiden was present or on phone relay from Northern Island, however he was apparently supping Guinness.  As for the Middle Eastern guys, in the absence of alcohol they probably tried some Khashoggi Red.  Wink

cringe.

Humor, let alone common sense, has sadly and forever escaped you Sneck.  Most of us celebrate the day and the win, but not you.  Sad really.

ps did you get much business as a fast food stall employee at Randwick today? 

Good place for this misbegotten thread.

ps Sneck seems to have gone missing after either overlooking or ignoring the announced pre-race change of tactics for D'Argento, or maybe busy counting the fast-food till (needless to say under strict surveillance).  
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Why is this in the laundry basket?
Is this not a racing forum? And a racing subject?
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Maybe because you started the thread talking absolute rubbish, and posts haven't improved a whole lot since?  Smile


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And indeed not dissimilar to your nonsensical comment about Big Duke being allegedly slaughtered in the Metrop.

Funny, he was extremely ordinary before that race, didn't give a yelp during it, and has been unsurprisingly awful since.
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Did you watch the Metropolitan at all?
Go and watch the replay.
The ride has ruined the horses prep.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

And indeed not dissimilar to your nonsensical comment about Big Duke being allegedly slaughtered in the Metrop.

Funny, he was extremely ordinary before that race, didn't give a yelp during it, and has been unsurprisingly awful since.


Then why on earth was he well backed?
And why was the trainer absolutely fuming about the ride?
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What on Earth is going on here, Gai? It’s a reasonable discussion.
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

What on Earth is going on here, Gai? It’s a reasonable discussion.


that’s what I thought. Like it or not, It’s being discussed heavily on twitter and other places.
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Originally posted by Smoke and Mirrors Smoke and Mirrors wrote:

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

And indeed not dissimilar to your nonsensical comment about Big Duke being allegedly slaughtered in the Metrop.

Funny, he was extremely ordinary before that race, didn't give a yelp during it, and has been unsurprisingly awful since.


Then why on earth was he well backed?
And why was the trainer absolutely fuming about the ride?

Ok Weir might have been fuming after the horse had a cheap but unsuccessful run in the Metrop after being 10th or 12th throughout, but what about his run in Melbourne immediately thereafter where he was beaten a half-hour in the Herbert Power?  He didn't give a yelp that day, so why would you expect much different today particularly after beating 12 and being beaten by 42 at his prior four starts?

And as for Winx being handed today's race on a platter, give us a #*! break  Wacko
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ps this was the first post in this thread: "that race was a joke, completely set up so she would win".

That simply insults what little intelligence some of us have.
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Some people just have NFI
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

ps this was the first post in this thread: "that race was a joke, completely set up so she would win".

That simply insults what little intelligence some of us have.

Never had your intelligence insulted in here, SC? Jeepers.

Absolutely nothing wrong with the thread- not insulting or defamatory. Extremely precious that it gets punted.
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How was Morphettville today Judge?Smile
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Actually down at West Lakes for the rowing. Watched the Cox Plate on my iphone- told them I had an incoming call- I think they swallowed it. I think that might be the first G1 I've actually watched live this Spring. Yyyyep...it's a good life.
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What was the pace like compared to average?

If I owned the grey and was shooting for the chance of a fluker's win that's the way I would want him ridden
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About 10L quicker than the Vase.
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