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Carioca
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2nd horse SP 66/1 too .
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djebel
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Tell us more about the winner ?
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Second Chance
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Well he won the Derby from a 200/1 shot who'd previously won just a lowly maiden before finishing last but one at its most recent appearance before the Derby. And the winner himself ran 12th in the 2000gns.
What other info do you need?
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djebel
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You are embarrassing yourself.
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Second Chance
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Read my posts again where I arguably posted nothing other than fact. Unless of course you can somehow demonstrate otherwise. Tick, tick, tick...
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AdaHunta
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How about this one 2021 Went on to be the first horse (3yo) in 20yrs since Galileo to go on n win the King George Adayar was only a maiden winner when he romped in the Derby ! Racing’s run on paper for those without eyes 😊 |
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Ticino
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Hello,
interesting observation and conclusion about the startergate(s) at Epsom refering to "The Derby". Thre are some difeerences than in Germany. Usually it#s runat Hasmburg (Horn) and the ground is used for Horse racing only a week during the every season. The number of starters is limited to 20. If more horses are still in the starterlist the GAG (General handicap Mark) decide, whether the horse will start in the Classic Race. After the start all Jockeys are obliged to run straight on for 400 Meter (~ Quarter Mile) to avoid indicents, after the distance, they run a long the rails or the outside. The straigt in Horn is 600 meter long. regards, Ticino
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djebel
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What was lowly about the King Of Steel maiden ? And what did the winner do as a 2yo ?
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djebel
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Carioca
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Personally , I think the 2nd horse is aptly named .
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djebel
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Second Chance
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The exceptions don't disprove the rule.
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Second Chance
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As for the winner, he won
the Gp2 Champions Juvenile Stakes at 2. Sounds great but it was just a
five horse field fact with no less than four of the five starters trained by O'Brien fact. And
run in a truly pedestrian 1.45 for the mile fact : might just as well have been an
inter-stable gallop over the downs. fact He won the Derby from a 100/1 shot who'd previously won just
a lowly maiden fact at the 4th rate course Nottingham fact before finishing last but one at its most recent appearance
before the Derby fact. And the winner himself ran 12th in the 2000gns. fact |
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djebel
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You did qualify your original statement by saying you would cop flack.
Again what did Auguste Rodin do at 2 ?
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Second Chance
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He won the Gp 1 Vertem Futurity Trophy from 7 others. The field split in two with horses coming down each rail. 1st, 2nd and 3rd all came down the outside suggesting they had a huge advantage.
He won the Gp2 Champions Juvenile. As already stated, "Sounds great but it was just a five horse field with no less than four starters trained by O'Brien. And run in a truly pedestrian 1.45 for the mile". The four horses that filled the placings in those two races have since had a dozen starts or more between them and have racked up just one stakes victory, and that was in a 5-horse listed event at Naas which would be about the equivalent of a Melbourne BM78.
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VSP.
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I quite like those 3yo's Second Chance. Wouldn't be surprised to see a few of them go on to major wins.
The winner looked special to me. But take on board what you say about 2nd horse, so perhaps you are right. The next 12 months will tell us. Wasn't the winner a smart Group 1 winner at 2 ? Beating a good field comfortably I thought.
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Second Chance
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Yes, time will certainly tell VSP.
Remembering what I did say at the outset was that ".... imo doubt this edition of 3yo's will ever go down in the annals." The winner might, but suspect 3/4 of the Derby field have already been booked in for the cruelest cut of all.
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djebel
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Thank you for correcting yourself.
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Second Chance
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Get a life djebel. My first post said "imo doubt this edition of 3yo's will ever go down in the annals" and nowhere have I "corrected myself".
And just to refresh your memory: As for the winner, he won the Gp2 Champions Juvenile Stakes at 2. Sounds great but it was just a five horse field fact with no less than four of the five starters trained by O'Brien fact. And run in a truly pedestrian 1.45 for the mile fact : might just as well have been an inter-stable gallop over the downs. fact He won the Derby from a 100/1 shot who'd previously won just a lowly maiden fact at the 4th rate course Nottingham fact before finishing last but one at its most recent appearance before the Derby fact. And the winner himself ran 12th in the 2000gns. fact He won the Gp 1 Vertem Futurity Trophy from 7 others. The field split in two with horses coming down each rail. 1st, 2nd and 3rd all came down the outside suggesting they had a huge advantage. He won the Gp2 Champions Juvenile. As already stated, "Sounds great but it was just a five horse field with no less than four starters trained by O'Brien. And run in a truly pedestrian 1.45 for the mile". The four horses that filled the placings in those two races have since had a dozen starts or more between them and have racked up just one stakes victory, and that was in a 5-horse listed event at Naas which would be about the equivalent of a Melbourne BM78. |
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djebel
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Trained by O'Brien or an O'Brien ? That 100/1 shot was entitled to improve from his 12 length defeat as a 2yo in group1 company over a mile to a June 3yo over 12 furlongs, That 4th rate course, Nottingham is famous for where Henry Cecil liked kicking off his good horses careers. It might not conduct any super duper races but it is a better race track than 90% of ours. Get a life ? You said you would cop flack and rightfully you have done. |
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AdaHunta
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Respect your option SC Auguste Rodins splits were pretty impressive tho imo He’s quick !! Last 600 (33.01) faster then 4yo Corronation Cup G1 winner Emily Upjohn Showed great acceleration after the leader was off n gone Clocking sub 11s splits between the 600 - 200m mowing him down Thats a 3yo with a decent gearbox GUINEAS run prior a look away job for many runners on an yielding track which they continued to water Reckon this guys definately no flash in the pan especially on top of the ground |
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