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MrB 
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 Topic: Protest - Stallion suggestions pleasePosted: 25 May 2021 at 9:10pm |
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Smart Missile mare who's dam is by Zabeel..Ideas?
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Posted: 25 May 2021 at 9:42pm |
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Please supply her name MrB as you've only given us 3/4 of her genetic makeup, not to mention any evidence available as to what the family has clicked with in the past
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Kimberley Mine
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Posted: 26 May 2021 at 9:49am |
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There are at least 22 mares by Smart Missile out of Zabeel daughters -- from families as different as the mare lines that produced Rubiton, Volksraad, Fighting Sun, and Tycoon Lil. That last bit is important!
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Posted: 26 May 2021 at 11:55am |
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The mare is lot 972 today Protest Covering Sire is Churchill just interested in the thought behind that and if anyone would recommend.
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Posted: 26 May 2021 at 1:02pm |
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https://catalogue.magicmillions.com.au/lot/21GWM/972
 Account of KBL THOROUGHBREDS (As Agent), Beaudesert, Qld. Lot 972 (No GST)PROTEST Stable QC 12 Bay mare (Branded :
SMART
MISSILE (AUS) (2008). 3 wins-2 at 2, ATC Todman S., Gr.2. Leading Aust.
First Season Sire 2015-16. Sire of 550 rnrs, 379 wnrs, 19 SW, inc. SW
Maid of Heaven (ATC Spring Champion S., Gr.1), Smart Melody, I'll Have a
Bit, Crosshaven, Missile Mantra, Ballistic Boy, Debellatio, Jericho
Missile, Ready to Prophet, Missile Launch, Smart 'n' Sexy,
Broadwayandfourth, Beauty, etc. Sire of the dams of Joyful Miss, Trinity
Missile, etc.
1st dam QUIBBLE, by Zabeel. Unraced. Half-sister to MAJESTICALLY, Darmala, Rose Beat, Triattica (dam of DEMERGER). Dam of 8 named foals, 7 to race, 6 winners, inc:- Redoute's Fortune (g. by Redoute's Choice). 2 wins at 1650m, $184,692, HKJC St George's Challenge Cup, Silver Mine Bay H. Smart Style (f. by Smart Missile). 2 wins at 1150m, 1200m to 2019-20. 2nd dam ROSECAY, by Marscay. Raced once. Sister to TRISCAY (dam of LA BARAKA, TSUIMAI), three-quarter-sister to Salimar, Lilande (dam of DEFIER), Timpani (dam of MR CHARLIE), half-sister to Dane Vintage (dam of VINTNER). Dam of 11 foals, 10 to race, 9 winners, inc:- MAJESTICALLY (Maroof). 10 wins-2 at 2-1100m to 2400m, $677,593, AJC Summer Cup, Gr.3, STC Frank Underwood Cup, L, Lord Mayor's Cup, L. Rose Beat (Rhythm). 3 wins 1000m to 1400m, VATC Allan Wicks H., SAJC Jayco Caravans H., Christmas Twilight H., 3d VATC Lord S., L. Producer. Darmala (Danehill). 2 wins at 1200m, STC Lone Star H., BTC Members' H., 2d QTC Sir Douglas Wadley H., L, 4th AJC James HB Carr S., L. Dam of- Rose Darmore (More Than Ready). Winner at 1200m, 3d MRC Blue Diamond Prelude (f), Gr.3, SAJC Laelia S., L. Producer. Woodala (Woodman). 6 wins 1400m to 2400m, $186,800, Northam Cup, 2d WATC Ascot Gold Cup, L, 4th WATC Farnley S., L. Producer. Triattica. 2 wins at 1000m, 1450m. Dam of 7 winners- DEMERGER (Saithor). 8 wins-2 at 2-1400m to 3200m, SAJC Adelaide Cup, Gr.1, VRC Matriarch S., Gr.3, Queen's Cup, Gr.3. Dam of- Admiral Jello (Fastnet Rock). 4 wins 1300m to 2400m, $312,925, 2d ATC Colin Stephen H., Gr.3, 3d Newcastle Gold Cup, Gr.3. Anadan. Winner at 1600m. Dam of 6 winners- Adamina (Snitzel). Winner at 1100m, 2d ATC Widden S., Gr.3. Trader (Dehere). 3 wins 1100m to 1500m, $181,725, STC Top Cut Steaks H., 2d MVRC Crystal Mile H., Gr.2, STC Premiere S., Gr.2. Rash Promise (More Than Ready). 5 wins 1100m to 1640m, $215,650, 2d Qld Tatt's RC Recognition S., L, Tattersall's Mile, L. Dam of- IMPETUOUS (Fastnet Rock). 3 wins at 1350m, $124,950, Wyong RC Mona Lisa S., L, 4th Scone RC Inglis Guineas, RL. Producer. Royal Emerger. Winner at 1600m. Dam of 4 winners- ROYAL RADA (Haradasun). 10 wins-1 at 2 and 3 in succession-1020m to 1400m, $250,015, Kalgoorlie Boulder RC Hannan's H., L. Race Record : 3 wins at 1800m, 2100m, 2d SCTC Caloundra RSL P., 4th SCTC Princess S., L. Produce Record : Dam of one foal. Served by Churchill (IRE). Last service: 13.10.2020. Edited by Gay3 - 26 May 2021 at 1:03pm |
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Posted: 26 May 2021 at 1:06pm |
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Nothing wrong with the Churchill cover. The Galileo/Danehill cross has been very successful. Family of Triscay which has been a tad quiet in recent years.
But interesting to see the one by Haradasun perform when very few of his got to stakes level. Could be Mr Prospector and Marscay mix is liked. Marscay being the sire of Triscay. Now earlier in the family is Oncidium winner of the Coronation Cup. He is inbred to Gainsborough. Now Gainsborough is the same family as Better Boy so interesting that La Baraka the stakeswinning daughter of Triscay is from that line and inbred to Star Kingdom with his Gainsborough sireline. Oncidiums best son Dayana is inbred to Aurora (daughter of Hyperion) and his dam is inbred to Selene dam of Hyperion. This is the family of Sir Tristram so there is a liking for these families. While Oncidium's best daughter Leilani is inbred to Malva dam of Blenheim who is the sireline of Oncidium, and once again Gainsborough. So apart from the Gaileo/Sadler's Wells line. You could look of stallions carrying alot of Star Kingdom/Hyperion/Gainsborough. Marcay is a gimme. So a stallion by Written Tycoon with his Marcay blood and lots of different lines of Star Kingdom, Better Boy etc etc. His son's come in many ranges of prices. You also have the Sir Tristram line usually through Lonhro. So she shouldn't be too hard to mate.
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Posted: 28 May 2021 at 7:25pm |
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She's the type of mare that's is entitled to be given every chance at stud.
Some stallions that appear to suit would imo include (not necessarily in any order) The Autumn Sun, Needs Further, Alpine Eagle, Pierata and Russian Revolution.
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Posted: 28 May 2021 at 9:19pm |
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..they were likely looking to the Fastnet Rock/Galileo cross that has produced horses of the calibre of Leicester (G1), Unforgotten (G1), Age Of Fire (G1), Shock Action (G3), Intricately (G1), Mongolian Falcon (G2), etc. Coolmore have Alluringly (3rd in Epsom Oaks) who is by Fastnet Rock and 2nd dam a full sister to Galileo and now being bred repeatedly to Galileo... ....so IMHO, Churchill over Protest is 'recommended'...
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Kimberley Mine
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Posted: 29 May 2021 at 9:30am |
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What fee range are you looking for?
It's almost impossible to go wrong with Al Maher.
Star Witness is a useful horse and his son Star Turn is off to a good start so far. --2nd on the 1st-season sires list by # of winners with 1 SW so far. Starcraft is bred on a reverse cross to Zabeel: Nureyev over Round Table, where Sir T is out of a Round Table mare and Zabeel's dam is by Nureyev. Damascus is in there too via Pompeii Court and Red Ransom. Interestingly, both father and son have a rare North American daughter line of Star Kingdom, and Star Turn has both the daughter line and a son line. Star Witness has several stakes horses out of both Fastnet Rock and Zabeel mares. As-yet unproven horses: Highland Reel duplicates the Galileo/Fastnet Rock cross that Daraabah mentions, and his second dam is the Marscay mare Circles of Gold who produced Haradasun. It's hard to fault his race record. Not getting much attention in the sales ring. Villermont looks interesting on paper for a breed-to-race horse. His 2nd dam is a genetic sibling to Rosecay (Marzcay out of a Sir T mare). Dehere and Zabeel combine beautifully, and I like the duplication of Damascus. Spring Champion winner Maid of Heaven is by Smart Missile out of a Dehere mare, and Protest has a stakes-placed horse by Dehere under her 3rd dam. This horse would probably want to run a mile. Last of the unproven stallions, War Front also looks interesting on paper. He has two crosses to Rubiano, a son of Fappiano who is present in Smart Missile, and that is a line that reeeeeeeally likes to be bred back to itself. There's the line to Dehere and another line to Forli (that isn't from the Rough Shod family!). His female family is one of the top families of this century in the USA and it's producing useful stallions. |
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Posted: 30 May 2021 at 6:03am |
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Kimberly, why do you say War Front is unproven? I beg to to differ. He stud fees in 2018, 2019 was US$250,000 which was amongst the highest in the world. Since Coolmore took more of an interest with better mare servage he has really been quite outstanding IMO. In particular in Australia through his son Declaration of War. Regards. |
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Posted: 30 May 2021 at 3:24pm |
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That was supposed to be Omaha Beach, a son of War Front. My brain clearly forgot the important bits of that sentence.
Good catch.
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Posted: 30 May 2021 at 7:20pm |
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What's interesting here is that yet again breeding buffs clearly view potential matings from different viewpoints, and that frequently leads to a variation of suggestions. Which is not to say any one is better or worse than another.
Some look for proven nicks or crosses, some for line-breeding per se, others might like to do any of these but also seek to provide more speed or stamina to the mating if they believe it to be important, and so on. Sometimes the results are very different, whereas the stars sometimes sort of align such as with the Highland Reel suggestion. And also from the (implied) but costly Capitalist match to the bargain basement Villermont. Just hope the new owner, whoever he or she may be, doesn't waste this particular mare. |
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