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Maybe what djebel says is true, Australian trainers see speed and think sprinter and if the horse is slow they think stamina, whereas their European counterparts see stamina and think stayer, and allow the speediness of the horse to determine his or her class level.
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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

Maybe what djebel says is true, Australian trainers see speed and think sprinter and if the horse is slow they think stayer, whereas their European counterparts see stamina and think stayer, and allow the speediness of the horse to determine his or her class level.
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I have no doubts djebel is correct.  LOL
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I have no doubt if the speed races were tossed to the outhouse and were programmed how they use to be in the 50s and 60s we would get sprinting bred horses to stay like Kingster , Noholme , Sky High , Wiggle, Lady Sybil, Skyline , Wenona Girl , Bounding Away , Pride of Egypt , etc etc. , where is the incentive now for a trainer to buy a staying bred youngster when their pushed toward sprinting , Everest anybody ? Ouch
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Btw , our good trainers are just that, Good ! some can even get their top stayers to sprint . Smile
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As djebel constantly says Carioca, maybe that is because top class stayers have speed but with stamina alongside so are capable of performing over shorter courses?
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I should have expressed my thoughts a bit better Afros , I meant our good versatile types that trainers allow to resume in sprint races before they step up to their preferred distances , by that I mean Verry Ell. going towards the MC but capable of winning at 1400 in her early prep. our trainers have been doing that for over a 100 years , they don't pigeon hole a Stayer as that , they think outside the square and it's very profitable making hay while the sun shines. Smile cheers.
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Internationally Trained Horses (except New Nealand) - Most Group 1s Won in Australia


Adeyybb (3):

2021 Queen Elizabeth Stakes (2000m WFA at Randwick)

2020 Queen Elizabeth Stakes (2000m WFA at Randwick)

2020 Ranvet Stakes (2000m WFA at Rosehill)


Dunaden (2):

2012 Caulfield Cup (2400m HCP at Caulfield)

2011 Melbourne Cup (3200m HCP at Flemington)


Vintage Crop (1):

1993 Melbourne Cup (3200m HCP at Flemington)


Taufan's Melody (1):

1998 Caulfield Cup (2400m HCP at Caulfield)


Media Puzzle (1):

2002 Melbourne Cup (3200m HCP at Flemington)


Cape Of Good Hope (1):

2004 Australia Stakes (1200m WFA at Moonee Valley)


Delta Blues (1):

2006 Melbourne Cup (3200m HCP at Flemington)


All The Good (1):

2008 Caulfield Cup (2400m HCP at Caulfield)


Americain (1):

2010 Melbourne Cup (3200m HCP at Flemington)


Side Glance (1):

2013 Mackinnon Stakes (2000m WFA at Flemington)


Gordon Lord Byron (1):

2014 George Ryder Stakes (1500m WFA at  Rosehill)


Polarisation (1):

2014 Sydney Cup (3200m HCP at Randwick


Admire Ratki (1):

2014 Caulfield Cup (2400m HCP at Caulfield)


Adelaide (1):

2014 Cox Plate (2040m WFA at Moonee Valley)


Protectionist (1):

2014 Melbourne Cup (3200m HCP at Flemington)


Hana's Goal (1):

2014 All Aged Stakes (1400m WFA at Randwick)


Real Impact (1):

2015 George Ryder Stakes (1500m WFA at Rosehill)


Side Glance (1):

2015 Mackinnon Stakes (2000m WFA at Flemington)


Rekindling (1):

2017 Melbourne Cup (3200m HCP at Flemington)


Benbatl (1):

2018 Caulfield Stakes (2000m WFA at Caulfield)


Best Solution (1):

2018 Caulfield Cup (2400m HCP at Caulfield)


Cross Counter (1):

2018 Melbourne Cup (3200m HCP at Flemington)


Jungle Cat (1):

2018 Sir Rupert Clarke Stakes (1400m HCP at Caulfield)


Mer De Glace (1):

2019 Caulfield Cup (2400m HCP at Caulfield)


Lys Gracieux (1):

2019 Cox Plate (2040m WFA at Moonee Valley)


Magic Wand (1):

2019 Mackinnon Stakes (2000m WFA at Flemington)


Twilight Payment (1):

2020 Melbourne Cup (3200m HCP at Flemington)


State Of Rest (1):

2021 Cox Plate


WFA = Weight For Age

HCP = Handicap
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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