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I tend to agree with you. I'd go a step further, the fact djebel posted a f**king photo accompanying that article deserves full expulsion from the forum. 
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Richie Calander is the Matt Chapman of Australian Racing.
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I'd have to give that some thought.

As somebody just asked me, Why does he keep getting a platform ?

I can not stand listening to Matt Chapman but nearly always agree with what he has to say. Richie on the other hand... 
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I mean in that he says things to get a reaction.

He's like the Kane Cornes of Australian Racing maybe a better fit LOL
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Okay we have two handicaps this weekend, but we will also do Coolmore Stud Stakes and Golden Eagle.

Empire Rose Stakes

1. Mystic Journey - 87. No flaws here, Loves Flemington, drawn well, can sit forward, handles wet or dry, returned to somewhere near her real form last start and I like her having a freshen up coming into this race. The one to beat!
2. Nettoyer - 80. Her prep was going nowhere until last start where she ran okay in the Cox Plate. I still can't see her winning at WFA, but she is a good miler and she should be better at this point into her prep. Top four chance.
3. Madame Rouge - 76. Good strong win last start, but there is a good deal of speed here and so this will be a strongly run 1600m and she is to me a 1400m specialist. No chance here!
4. Pretty Brazen - 84. Loves the track, her only 1600m run was good and handles good or soft tracks. Now ready for the mile and drawn to get a nice run from the gate. Can win, but for me she is more a top four hope.
5. Vanna Girl - 75. Her form to me lacks depth. She finished behind Nettoyer at WFA last start and on that alone I can not see her winning. Has the inside gate and she should get a nice run, but if she wins then I lose.
6. Shout The Bar - 81. Think this is her grand final. Will go forward from the wide gate, she will make it a real 1600m test and if the track plays as normal for the derby meeting she will be in the right spot in the run. Oliver on is a positive and can see her running well @ $51.00. Definite each way contender. Also the wetter the better for her.
7. Asiago - 82. To win I think she needs a wet track, but she is nowhere near a $81.00 chance. Her two 1600m runs have been good. Her form might suggest she is a genuine group 3 mare but this field is not full of group 1 winners and she can finish top four at least.
8. Missile Mantra - 85. Now if you want to back one to be sure you will get a good run on a dry or wet, then she is your bet. Brilliant run behind a strong winner two back. Beaten by Sovereign Award last start and she has franked that form by demolishing the Tesio field on Cox Plate day. Will get a lovely do nothing run during the race and she does have a good late surge to get over the top of the field late. $26.00 is the best overs of the race.
9. Felicia - 81. If this was 1400m she would be nearly top rater. In outstanding form and will be given every hope to run the 1600m by Williams, but there is good sped here and she is like Madame Rouge, the last 100m will be the problem. 
10. She Shao Fly - 83. Again she is more a 1400m horse and I am not sure she will run the trip right out but gets every hope from the gate. On form she is just about the one to beat, but that last 100m will be tough.
11. Chaillott - 79. Might be twelve months too soon for her, but her run in the Ladies Vase at caulfield gives her a hope. drawn to be given every hope and no surprise if she won, but again a top four hope for me.
12. Odeum - 87. Looks the one to beat. Drawn to roll forward, 1600m ideal, well in at weights and is in good form. 
13. Chica Fuerte - 83. Comes through the lesser 3yo fillies races but has had a good foundation to run well here. Goes from 2000m back to 1600m, will go forward and if she can get across not using too much petrol she can kick on into a place.
14. Forbidden Love - 83. Has form over shorter distances around Wild Ruler and Dame Giselle and Hungry Heart. I have a slight query at the 1600m so not sure where they go from the barrier. If she gets a good run she can get into the top four but not win.

Ratings.

1. No.12 Odeum - 87
2. No.1 Mystic Journey - 87
3. No.8 Missile Mantra - 85
4. No.4 Pretty Brazen - 84
5. No.13 Chica Fuerte - 83
6. No.10 She Shao Fly - 83.

Add ins for any scratchings are No.14 & No.7

Race Summary: This field has been impacted by the other races on offer as there is no Arcadia Queen, Perfect Jewel, Probabeel, Funstar, Flit, Collette, Sovereign Award and even Melody Belle and Avantage from NZ. For me Mystic Journey and Odeum are the clear top raters. Missile Mantra comes into this in good form and will get a lovely run and handles all conditions, she is good overs @ $26.00. Pretty Brazen looks well placed and the other two 3yo fillies are top four hopes. Shout The Bar is the one for me who could improve significantly and while her and Asiago need the wet to win they make their presence felt.

Betting Strategy

$200 win No.12 Odeum
$100 win No.  4 Pretty Brazen
$50   EW No.  6 Shout The Bar
$50   EW No.  8 Missile Mantra

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Cantala Stakes

1. Fifty Stars - 85. Lovely run last time out and has huge appeal here. Back to Flemington tick, 1600m tick, second up tick and draw tick. The only draw back for me is the weight as this race has not been kind to high weighted horses, but he is good enough to win.
2. Mr Quickie - 90. Again he ticks a lot of boxes but he has two huge things to overcome. One the weight and then where does he get to from the barrier. In the Toorak he drew well and got the splits towards the inside to finish off hard. If Jamie Kah can get cover and latch on to the back of one that will take her to the 300m he can win as he is the best miler in the race, but he needs everything to go perfectly! 
3. Olmedo - 74. I have no doubt he has the ability to win and his trials leading in have been good enough. Always find it hard selecting first uppers in a handicap group1 but if there is any money for him I will be following it.
4. Wild Planet - 82. If this was 1400m he would be the top rater, but that last 200m will be the test. Loves Flemington so he will get his chance, but needs everything to go right to even get close.
5. Yulong Prince - 88. While Wild Planet has the problem of running the 1600m, YP has the opposite. I think he might be looking for 2000m, but he gets a lovely chance to win a group 1 here. Well weighted, comes of a Epsom cracker, nice and fresh, and you have to assume Flemington will suit. Genuine winning chance!
6. Best Of Days - 78. Won this race a few years ago, but looks a genuine group 3 horse nowadays. Had problems last start so if you like him do not take any notice of that run, but he will do well to finish top four.
7. Cascadian - 80. His form before his last run was good, but his racing style is not the style of a prolific winner. Has the talent to win but he will run without my support.
8. I Am Superman - 81. Has the talent to win the race, but even with a soft run from the inside gate he is a risk at the 1600m. 
9. Rock - 79. Drawn well but he has now had three runs at 1600m and not shown anything in return. For me his sits behind Yulong Prince and Chief Ironside who he meets 3 kilos worse from their Cameron Handicap race at Newcastle. Terrible in this race last year and not sure he is going any better coming into this event. Again if he wins I will be losing on the race.
10. Streets Of Avalon - 70. If he wins it will be a bigger upset than Tears I Cry. No hope!!!!!!!!!!
11. The Velvet King - 84. I can smell a Sky Cuddle long priced run coming from this Peter Moody galloper. His entire 1600m form is absolutely right up to this grade. His last 1600m run was length second to Perfect Jewel and he has 1600m from around Regal Power the All Star Mile winner. His first up run was just a run to get him race fit so ignore that. 2nd up form is very good and he has drawn the perfect gate to do absolutely nothing. The $51.00 is clear overs!
12. Age Of Chivalry - 79. Still a doubt at 1600m but his last two runs at the distance have been good. Still for me a top four hope at best.
13. Buffalo River - 85. Nearly got us last start, but he sets up nicely here. Might have to do some work from the gate, but he fits the bill as a lightweight up and comer.
14. Chief Ironside - 86. Good run in the Toorak where he was hassled up front. Drawn to get a good soft run on the speed, gets McEvoy on replacing Bowman who is having his regular dry spell in Melbourne. As long as the track is not severely rain affected he will be in the finish!
15.  Nonconformist - 81. Comes in off a good run, but not sure back from 2000m will suit. Has the ability to win and if he did it would not surprise but I will not be backing him, but have him in the exotics.
16. King's Legacy - 84. I always forgive a Sydney horse a bad run at Caulfield and besides he had internal problems as well. The 1600m is ideal, he should love Flemington and like him fourth up here. At the weights he is capable of increasing the rating of his performance so to me he is overs @ $21.00. Definite hope!
17. Reykjavyk - 74. Is a genuine listed miler, but that will not be good enough to win here!
18. Junipal - 75. Not capable of beating those who beat him at Caulfield, so he is a top five finisher at best for me, unless we get a soft or worse track condition then he can win.
19. Harbour Views - 78. Has raced the top level gallopers at his last two, and if he gains a run I could put him into my wider exotics.
20. Reloaded. Scratched

Ratings

1. No.2 Mr Quickie - 90.
2. No.5 Yulong Prince - 88
3. No.14 Chief Ironside - 86
4. No.1  Fifty Stars - 85
5. No.13 Buffalo River - 85
6. No.16 King's Legacy - 84

Add ins for any scratchings are No.11 & No.4

Race Summary: Mr Quickie and Fifty Stars are the two quality gallopers in the field. Chief Ironside gets every hope with Bowman off and from the low draw. Buffalo River and King's Legacy are the ones right down in the weights who can win. The Velvet King is the best long priced hope in the race and if he shows up his best is good enough to win here. I can see the punters falling into Rock again and maybe Junipal if he gains the run, but both need to improve on what they have done this prep to win or even place.

Betting Stratgey.

$200 WIN@ $12.00 Yulong Prince
$  50 EW @ $26.00 Chief Ironside
$  50 EW @ $51.00 The Velvet King
$  50 EW @ $26.00 King's Legacy

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Coolmore Stud Stakes

1. Farnan - 84. I see Bowman has been left by the roadside Thumbs Up. At his best he wins, but is he at his best. I will be betting around him, but he can finish top four.
2. Wild Ruler - 87. His two wins this time in have been good, but he has raced the third level three year olds. Will just behind the speed and should look the winner at some stage towards the last 200m.
3. Mamaragan - 74. Love the horse and that is why I will have a small bet on him @ $126.00, but on his form he is nowhere near winning.
4. Glenfiddich - 84. The 1200m is short but if he can reproduce his Memsie fresh run rating can go close. Has the class to win, but it is coming back from the mile, but that could suit if they go hard.
5. Ranting - 86. Loved his win in the Blue Sapphire, in a 3 horse field. Looks to be coming to his peak at the right time.
6. Doubtland - 78. Looks to be a genuine group 3 galloper, and he sits behind Wild Ruler. Has won down the straight before but that was a low rating race. 
7. Anders - 83. I have tow huge queries. One the distance, and second the draw. If the inside of the straight is favored then he can run well, but for me he is not a genuine winning chance.
8. Holyfield - 80. Also back from the mile here but he needs to improve to be a place hope.
9. Extra Time - 77. Is coming through a low level 3yo group in Adelaide so he needs a career best to win. Can not see him winning but will put him in my exotics.
10. Our Playboy - 74. Although his fresh form is good enough including a win over Ranting he needs to go to a new level to win here.
11. Flying Award - 76. Back to 1200m should suit but there are a few here that have him covered.
12. Swats That - 88. Her three runs this time in have been very very good. Her fresh run down the straight was good and for me she is the best of the fillies.
13. Muntaseera - 84. Not sure she is good enough to win but she should get a lovely run and can finish hard into the placings. 
14. September Run - 86. Good win two back defeating Swats That. Meets her a half kilo better for the  3 quarter of a length win so no reason she can not win. 

Ratings

1. No.12 Swats That - 88
2. No.  2 Wild Ruler - 87
3. No.14 September Run - 86
4. No.  5 Ranting - 86
5. No.  4 Glenfiddich - 84
6. No.13 Muntaseera - 84

Add ins for any scratchings are No.1 & No.7

Race Summary: For me I think the winner comes from Wild Ruler, Ranting, Swats That and September Run. Wild Ruler and Swats That the main hopes. The only other winning hope for me would be Glenfiddich and if there is any money for him I will be following in. Farnan is good enough to win, but if he does it would be one of Gai's best training efforts.

Betting Strategy

$150 win @ $6.50 No.2 Wild Ruler
$100 win @ $8.50 No.12 Swats That
$  50 win + $100 place @ $16.00 No.4 Glenfiddich
$  40 EW @ $19.00 No.5 Ranting
$  10 EW @ $126.00 No.3 Mamaragan

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This Coolmore Stud field show the depth of our Australian Sprinters with most of the field coming having
family with greater staying ability.

Farnan might have a Golden Slipper on his page but further back in his pedigree are both Lowan Star (AJC & QTC Oaks) and Musidora (Epsom Oaks) to say this family has produced some great middle distance winners.

Wild Ruler has Cracknel (Irish Derby) deep in his pedigree

Mamaragan has Martini Henry (VRC Derby, Melbourne Cup, Robin Hood (VRC Derby, Queen Elizabeth S), Peg's Pride (Wellington Derby), Winnipeg (QTC Oaks etc)

Glenfiddich appears to me more of a sprinting USA line going back to a Champion 3yo filly and Champion 2yo colt - Cleopatra and Pompey

Ranting is of course from the same family as Savabeel (W S Cox Plate, Spring Champion S), Palatious (Perth Cup), Craftsman (Australian Cup (twice), VRC Derby, Turnbull S etc), Carlita (VRC Oaks, Rosehill Guineas, VRC Derby, Queen Elizabeth S etc), Revenue (Melbourne Cup)

Doubtland is of course from the family of Rory's Jester (Golden Slipper) and lots and lots of speed yet further back we find Lord Lyon (St Leger S, 2000 Guineas and Epsom Derby) and Achievement (1000 Guineas, Coronation S, Doncaster Cup, St Leger S)

Anders is also from a speedy USA family but has the interesting filly Nellie Morse 1924 Champion 3yo filly in her pedigree.  Nellie Morse was inbred to Trenton 3f x 3f and was also from out of an Abercorn mare so carried a three way cross to Goldbrough an early Champion sire in Australia and a grandson of Juliet ancestress of the above Mamaragan

Holyfield is from the family of Golden Slipper winner Star Watch but further back you find the dam of Grand Flaneur (Melbourne Cup, VRC derby, AJC Derby etc)

Extra Time goes back to Praise (NZ Oaks and dam of Regal Praise (GN Oaks, GN St Leger)

Our Playboy was has close up speed with Pierata (All Aged S) and Century Miss (Golden Slipper) but further back is Cetigne (Rawson S, Melbourne S, AJC Derby) and Conservator (SA Derby)

Flying Award is from the great family of Leica Lover (WATC Australian Derby) and Leica Show (VRC Oaks) and further back the dam of Chester (Queen Elizabeth S twice, Melbourne Cup, VRC Derby as well as being a champion two year old)

Swats That is the family of Let's Elope (Melbourne Cup, LSK Mackinnon S, Caulfield Cup, Australian Cup etc)  and further back is the same family as Wild Ruler above

Muntaseera is also recently a speed family with the South African 2yo G1 winner Musir but further back is Our Lassie (Epsom Oaks) and it is the family of Mill Reef (Epsome Derby & Arc de Triomphe etc)  and Pipe of Peace (Middle Park S & 2nd Epsom Derby and a great sire in Australia).

September Run is also from a recent South African family with Lenin (South African Guineas and Derby)

So next time you think we can only breed sprinters look at those sprinters and find most have staying relatives.  No wonder the Europeans can get our sprinters to win over a distance ie Anthony Van Dyck who is out of an Exceed and Excel mare who won a two year old stakes over 1100m.


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Gytrash can run in the wet.  Little wonder sitting there on the third line the best wet tracker I ever saw Strawberry Road.
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