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max manewer
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It obviously isn't Bluescope then. Can't think what it might have been, but would have been an imported American sire at least 20-25 years ago.
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Grey Affair
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The stallions Shifway & Biscawong were both out of Gay Wendy, an imported mare by Hook Money (by Bernborough). Shifway sired Tulip Town & Robrick Star whle Biscawong sired Wonga Prince & Our Horizon. They are probably not the stallions you are thinking of but they did have Bernborough in their pedigree. |
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max manewer
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Thanks GA, those weren't the ones, I might be wrong (again) but perhaps I am thinking of the sire of a Doomben Ten Thousand winner of 20-30 years ago ? I remember it being mentioned that a feature race winner at a Brisbane track, had Bernborough in its pedigree, but memories do fade and become muddled.
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Majestic
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Bluescope, stood at Dawson Stud Gros Wold (?) along side Dignitas and some other forgettable US stallions for Ferd Calvin. Bluescope sired 9 SWs including Bengala Lad and Speedito, two extremely good Qld SWs, along with a Villiers winnerS Torumba and Tumberlua and I’m Scarlet a boom galloper as a 3yo.
Swiftly Morgan was another stallion that succeeded at Dawson Stud, but Garganey was a flop. Still have the old Turf. Onthly, Racetrack and Australian Thoroughtbred magazines of the day.
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Grey Affair
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The granddam of Rothman's Hundred Thousand winner, Getting Closer was a daughter of Hook Money. Hook Money is also in the pedigree of Al Akbar (maternal grandsire of Winx). |
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acacia alba
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Grose Wold is in the Hawkesbury area , not that far from Richmond, NSW. The Nutmans breed horses there even now.
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animals before people.
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Grey Affair
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Bluescope also sired Blue's Finito, a favourite of mine back in the seventies. |
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Carioca
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That's the horse Grey Affair, TJ had him early in his career, maybe lost him, sacked him, , not many escape that bloke and win a big race .
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Second Chance
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Not when he plied cast-offs with metho or kerosine before they left.
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Carioca
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Be more specific, it was common knowledge that strappers put a wee dash in their dressing bucket ( of kero) when dressing horses, but very small amount , left their coat with a nice sheen , what with the " metho" ? put it on the arse like they do a cat?
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Ticino
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Hello,
maybe it's Abit off Topic. The th5read mentioned "Bernborough",and I had the vague, I spot his Name in a German ped. Well, I wasn't wrong, see Kornado, his Sire was Superlative (Hook Money) and his ped is abovementioned Sire. best regards from Germany Ticino P.S.: I remember I watched on TV, a race with Bernborough, obviously he had same leg Trouble (brokedown?) and was checked by a vet after the race.
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Gay3
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Don't worry about off topic Ticino, TBV specialises in it Loved the extra info that I was unaware of
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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brave_ponies
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I've said it before, you people are amazing. The wealth of knowledge here blows me away!
I'm going off topic a bit too as I'm fascinated by the info on Dawson Stud... (The Ponies lived in Grose Wold!) Does anyone know where it was? There's a property with a stunning American-style house that is next to Belmont Park (which became the Inghams pre-training and spelling farm) ... local legend has it that the Sydney Lord Mayor who owned all the land parcelled off 25 acres to his American mate - surely that's the place? And, aa, yes, the Nutman family is still in Grose Wold. Their place is Fairview Park and they've had some (well deserved) success in recent years at yearling sales. I think one of our TBV members had a mare with them. Thanks again everyone for sharing. |
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Majestic
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To Ticino , that race was MacKinnon Stakes on Sat before Melb Cup. Broke down at 800m. He was vetted by VRC vet, quite roughly I suspect, but he recovered to travel to US and become an influential sire. Race was won by Flight, one of our best mares in Aust thoroughbred history. I have a DVD of his story. Must learn how to post it here.
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Second Chance
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Many years ago purchased a Hook Money mareby the name of Mondaine. Old she was, but in foal to a stallion by the name of Northern Flash, almost certainly the first Northern Dancer sire to stand in Oz.
The Northern Flash colt was an early favorite for the Slipper but went wrong in the Kembla Classic. After a long time off the scene won another six races or so including two in town but was never quite the same again. And we sold her final foal (a colt) as a yearling however from memory he won just one race. Badly wanted a filly to carry on what was a truly great female family, but alas.
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acacia alba
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I have always understood the first son of Northern Dancer at stud in Australia was Grand Chaudier, who stood at Lyndhurst Stud, in Qld, for the Krugers.
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animals before people.
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Grey Affair
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That would be correct. Grand Chaudiere's first crop were foaled in 1973. |
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Brudder_A
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Getting back on track for this thread (and I'm not slugging on the divergence which was interesting reading from the posts) I thought I'd get a little bit more perspective about what Wiggle had achieved in the USA. She did race in the US more than in Australia so there must of been some intrigue. So I did some research and thought I would share it here. Soon after her win at Aqueduct, Wiggle II was next seen on Tuesday, November 8th at Garden State Park, at Cherry Hill, New Jersey in the feature event, the 6 furlong Princeton Handicap with stakes of $23,350. Here she ran into some tough competition facing males and she was gallant in defeat finishing 2nd to Tick Tock by 2 1/2 lengths in 1:10.40 who had won this same event in 1958 and was third the previous year. That's fairly fast! Garden State Park at this time was one of the premier racetracks on the East Coast. Opened in 1942 by the 1960s the growth of attractions and shopping malls, restaurants were a prime of the growth that attracted fans and high quality racing. However, after a fire in 1977 the track tried to reinstall its glory but by the late 1990s its fate was sealed. I had visited the track several times in the late 1990s and by its last whimper all was left was a flea market. In 2001 it closed and later it was bulldozed. Only sign left is a Cherry Hill Train Station which is adjacent to some new housing developments and more shopping malls. Ironically I had just recently past it on my way to Atlantic City just last month enroute to my quarantine destination. Ok, a bit of divergence, so lets get back to the details! Three days after her running in the Princeton Handicap, Wiggle II was entered in the Friday feature at Garden State Park, The Vineland Handicap, an event for fillies and mares over a distance of 1 1/8 miles (~1800m) and the stakes were $52,800. In today's value taking inflation into account that would roughly be about ~$508,000. Hence no doubt that this event attracted an elite field and its worth going through who she was facing. The favourite Royal Native was carrying 124 lbs, Wiggle 119 lbs and Make Sail 118 lbs. Before I disclose the result lets a closer look who was this opposition. Royal Native was no slouch. In fact she was the 3YO Champion in the US. Her wins included the Monmouth Oaks, Spinster Stakes at Keeneland (today a GI), Pageant Handicap and Ambassador Purse at Atlantic City. Her form coming into this race was also impressive. Winning Arlington Matron Handicap, Black Helen Handicap at Hialeah Park, Florida, Molly Pitcher Handicap at Monmouth Park, NJ, Colonial Handicap at Garden State Park. And her breeding was Blue as the get. Her sire was British 1946 Royal Ascot Queen Anne Stakes winner Royal Charger who was by Frederico Tesio's Nearco (ITY) out of Sun Princess a dam who produced 13 foals, 11 runners and 9 winners including stakes winners Tessa Gillian, Alassio, Flaneur II and Royal Justice. Royal Charger had major influence in the US in the post WWII after being sent to there in 1953. He commanded a fee of $10,000, the largest breeding fee through his time. Make Sail was also impressive mare. She was bred by Harry F. Guggenheim a notable breeder and founding member of the New York Racing Association. Make Sail was bought by Cain Hoy Stable trained by Woody Stephens and as a 2YO she won one of the divisions of the Schuylerville Stakes at Saratoga (now G3) and the following year captured the Kentucky Oaks (now G1) and later winning at Saratoga the prestigious Alabama Stakes over 1 1/4 miles. Make Sail's breeding also has a European twinge to it. Her sire was the French bred 1948 2YO Champion Ambiorix who was sold by his breeder Marcel Boussac to Claiborne Farm for $250,000. (That would be right up there with what some of the champs these days would get!) On her dam's side Anchor's Aweigh, she had Sir Gallahad (had 3 Kentucky Derby Winners) and Man O' War. So the event was a really high profile one. A nice crowd of 24,660 gathered as reported by the Camden Courier Post. The tabloids headlines posted that Royal Native midfield early rallied by jockey Bill Hartack (winner of 5 Kentucky Derbies including 1960, 3 Preakness Stakes & 1 Belmont Stakes including 1960) and came from behind to take over from Make Sail winning by 1/2 length who took the lead from pace setter My Dear Girl (1959 2YO Champion and winner of the Frizette Handicap at Belmont Park) who finish in fourth with "the Australian Invader" Wiggle II who was ridden by the U.S. Racing Hall of Fame (1963) jockey Steve Brooks four lengths away in third. Time for the 1 1/8 miles was 1:50 4/5. Wiggle was not finished running in November. On Thursday, 24th November 1960, which happened to be Thanksgiving Day, Wiggle II was entered in the featured event the $28,420 Firenze Handicap over 1 mile at the Big A - Aqueduct. One has to remember that in 1960 Aqueduct was a brand new spanking track taking over from the old Jamaica Racecourse that was several miles north from Ozone Park in Queens. The Firenze Handicap was inaugurated in 1948 but has had an evolution which sees it today run as the Grade I Personal Ensign Stakes at Saratoga during the summer meet. The NY Daily News reports a crowd of 24,870 came out to Aqueduct to see the races for the first running of the Firenze Handicap at Aqueduct before the fans went home to eat some turkey. I have been to the Thanksgiving day meet at Aqueduct several times - never a crowd like that. I recall that post time for the first race was something like 10:15 so that the meeting would finish early. Wonder if that was the case. Anyway, The Firenze Handicap, 7th race on the card was won by longshot Clear Road owned by Ogden Phipps starting at 25/1, defeating the Argentine mare Soldadesca and Brookmeade Stable's Big Effort in third. Sister Antoine was fourth and Wiggle II as the disappointing favourite finished fifth. The rest of the field was Who's Ahead, even more disappointing the second favourite Make Sail, Frimanaha and Royal Lady last. Wiggle carried 124 pounds - Clear Road 111 pounds. Big difference! Some follow up on the runners. Clear Road had chased Make Sail twice at Saratoga earlier that summer in the Test Stakes and Alabama Stakes and made clear amends on Thanksgiving. Soldadesca sire was Timor (FR) who was bought from Marcel Boussac in France and taken to Argentina's Haras EL Turf Stud in Buenos Aires. Her biggest win in the US was the Miss America Turf Handicap at Atlantic City, New Jersey in the summer of 1960. Atlantic City had one of the best turf tracks on the East Coast and my heart twinges every time I drive past that track. Even more so how the casinos shuttered that track back in the 1980s & 90s and today to see how the casinos are all closed! Big Effort was a 5yo at the time and ran beyond her form in the Firenze. Her best win was as a 3yo in the Delaware Oaks in 1958. Sister Antoine biggest win was the following year when was shipped to the West Coast and won the 1961 Santa Margarita Handicap (now G1). The 3yo filly Frimanaha improved immensely in the following years. As a 4YO she won the Vineland Handicap at Garden State Park defeating Shirley Jones and once again winning in the Walt Whitman Handicap the following year at GSP. As a 6YO she won the Diana Handicap (now G1) at Saratoga. In the breeding shed whe was also successful with 7 foals 6 to race, all winners, including Bohemian Grove who won the G3 Dalgety (Hotham Handicap) in 1980 at Flemington - Anyone remember that? I've made it back to OZ! Enjoy! |
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Second Chance
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A terrific read. Thanks Brudder.
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