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Originally posted by Balciano Balciano wrote:

From memory she backed up back from the 1400 metres of the Orr to the 1000 metre Lightning in the space of 7 days. If they were looking for easy wins or soft kills I can think of easier ways to go about it, particularly against a horse as great as Hay List.




How fast did they go in the first 800m of that 1400m? 51.75sec, last 600m 33.39 Let's be real-that was nothing more than a track gallop
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote There off! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Oct 2018 at 9:14am
Was Paz the bloke that kept laying BC every start?

Funny stuff.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote furious Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Oct 2018 at 11:38am
I give up.  Haylist was a great galloper.  Black Caviar was great mare who through thick and think remained unbeaten.  Why do we have to say anything against her.  It's not belittling Haylist he has a great record but he couldn't beat her.  Not that he ever stopped trying his great heart out.
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Atreus has been beating the same drum for a long time and ignoring what is relatively common knowledge for almost as long. 

I'm dubious but this might help explain to novices and skeptics what Moody was up against throughout her career and why Black Caviar was carefully managed.

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See she has another filly.  By I Am Invincible.
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Its hard to believe she has been off the track that long !!!!
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This one seems to look like mum.
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The article with the picture said the same furious - the filly is big and strong and looks like mum.
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This good stuff belongs in her "proper" thread Dizzy.

With what we now know it's interesting reading some of the dismissive early comments in this thread about her lacklustre Adelaide and Ascot runs.
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Who was the second best Bel Esprit? Black Caviar is the Powerball Bel Esprit- incredible fluke. Division2 pays $95,000.
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2nd best Bel Esprit might be Bel Sprinter?
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Originally posted by TOLEDO TOLEDO wrote:

2nd best Bel Esprit might be Bel Sprinter?

Correct. Moshe might've been with a longer career.
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Sorry Dizzy just looked at the photo.
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Clearly she was much worse than generally known, judging by John Sadlers' remarks Clap

"He also praised the Queenslander for what he achieved with the unbeaten champion mare Black Caviar when Moody was based at The Heath.

Despite the stories of chairs and fax machines being thrown around the trainers' tower, Sadler empathised with what Moody must have been going through when training the legendary sprinter.

"He was under immense pressure," Sadler said. "He's training a hundred horses and on top of that, he's got the best horse in the world and an unsound best horse in the world.

"Amazing training performance, Peter Moody with Black Caviar, absolutely amazing.

"In fact, it's the best training performance, I believe, getting what was a huge horse, she put those legs to the ground quicker than anything else can, but on top of it was this huge frame.

"It was always a big thing to be able to keep her sound.

"The Moody-Black Caviar performance, I think it's greater than any others that I know."


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Just proves how much of a champion she really was.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote acacia alba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Dec 2021 at 11:25am
Has she just foaled a filly to Written Tycoon ??   Or have I got that wrong  ??
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Who was the second best Bel Esprit? Black Caviar is the Powerball Bel Esprit- incredible fluke. Division2 pays $95,000.


Crikey I come up with some good lines even if I do say so.Clap
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You certainly do Tlazz. To be fair though - the competition in the Racing Section leaves a bit to be desired LOL
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Who was the second best Bel Esprit? Black Caviar is the Powerball Bel Esprit- incredible fluke. Division2 pays $95,000.


Crikey I come up with some good lines even if I do say so.Clap

He has 25 other stakes winners including 2 group 1 winners. Bel Sprinter would be second best about 15 lengths behind. 




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