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    Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 7:52am
I thought I’d see how a sports thread went in the “Sports” forum. Hopes aren’t high but here we go...

The title for Most Underrated Aussie Sportsperson 2018. And you underrated I mean recognition relative to success, as opposed to undervalued- both these blokes make plenty.

One is a starter in a good NBA team, in career best form, and is projected to set a franchise record for 3 pointers in the next couple of seasons.

The other is consistently in the top 20 golfers on the planet.

Both are decidedly unglamorous- they look more like middle aged farmers that elite sportspeople, and in an age of self promoters and chest beaters seem rather humble and unassuming ( off the court/course at least).

There are no doubt others (including no doubt quite a few women) but these two spring to mind. And whilst I’m having trouble splitting them, given one is a good Adelaide lad and the other is Victorian filth, I’m giving it to Joe.

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ugh...Leishmani...that would be the Italian golfer.

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Ingles would be the greatest Australian over achiever ever. Always a talent as a youngster however has done fantastically well to be key NBA franchise player.. In the same vein I would suggest Ben Simmons will be Australia’s best & most globally recognised sportsmen ever within a few years. Leishman is a great golfer - although no better than Day or Scott ( yet anyway ). Cameron Smith could end up better than all of them
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Agree with that. Simmons is a different kettle of fish though- tapped from day 1 as a superstar, not much chance of him ever being underrated- but agree he may well end up Australia’s greatest ever, at least from an overseas perspective.

Need to mention Minjee Lee. Fifth ranked female golfer on the planet though I doubt most Aussies have even heard of her.
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...and Leishman certainly no better than Scott or Day, but he doesn’t have near the profile- hence the underrated bit.
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I've only ever seen Joe Ingles once and he was beating his chest like King Kong.
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Agree with that. Simmons is a different kettle of fish though- tapped from day 1 as a superstar, not much chance of him ever being underrated- but agree he may well end up Australia’s greatest ever, at least from an overseas perspective.

Need to mention Minjee Lee. Fifth ranked female golfer on the planet though I doubt most Aussies have even heard of her.

overseas perspective, do you mean a USA perspective? Greater than Laver, Dawn Fraser etc ?

I have heard of Minjee, what a great name Smile, and can those little girls belt the ball a long way Shocked
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I do struggle coming to grips with how Aussies have achieved in sports such as basketball & cycling in recent years. I used to always think the possibility of cracking the NBA was near on impossible. The great Andrew Gaze gave it a few shots & played a few games - & Luc Longley did well (being over 7 foot helped his cause immensely). Then Bogut gets Number 1 draft pick, Patty Mills comes along & then & then - boom - we have an avalanche of NBA players doing us proud. 8 or 9 now I think. And the strange thing is that our basketball nursery - the NBL - has been struggling big time (starting to come good again now). Obviously the European leagues & the US College programs have been critical to this. Ingles for instance owes a lot to his stint in Europe. Similar in the cycling game. For half my life I always used to the name Phil Anderson - an aussie who finished top 10 in the Tour De France a few times - & what a great achievement that was. Now - we have stacks of genuine Tour & Classics riders. Mountain goats like Richie Porte & Cadell Evans, Sprinters like Caleb Ewan & Time Trialists like Rohan Dennis ( plus lots ,lots more filling the big teams all season). We really are a remarkable sporting country
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

...and Leishman certainly no better than Scott or Day, but he doesn’t have near the profile- hence the underrated bit.

Lose 10 kgs and he might well go from underrated to rated.  Cam Smith appears to have his measure and may be similarly underrated.
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

I do struggle coming to grips with how Aussies have achieved in sports such as basketball & cycling in recent years. I used to always think the possibility of cracking the NBA was near on impossible. The great Andrew Gaze gave it a few shots & played a few games - & Luc Longley did well (being over 7 foot helped his cause immensely). Then Bogut gets Number 1 draft pick, Patty Mills comes along & then & then - boom - we have an avalanche of NBA players doing us proud. 8 or 9 now I think. And the strange thing is that our basketball nursery - the NBL - has been struggling big time (starting to come good again now). Obviously the European leagues & the US College programs have been critical to this. Ingles for instance owes a lot to his stint in Europe. Similar in the cycling game. For half my life I always used to the name Phil Anderson - an aussie who finished top 10 in the Tour De France a few times - & what a great achievement that was. Now - we have stacks of genuine Tour & Classics riders. Mountain goats like Richie Porte & Cadell Evans, Sprinters like Caleb Ewan & Time Trialists like Rohan Dennis ( plus lots ,lots more filling the big teams all season). We really are a remarkable sporting country

Yes and no. We have a lot of advantages over here compared to most countries, though perhaps not the US. Facilities, climate and most of all money. We identify talent at a young age and nurture it financially. There's a reason a similar sized country like Iraq isn't producing too many world champions. Look at our tennis players- once dominant but when the real professionalism and increased competition from the old Eastern Europe came in and the game was a much bigger pond, we've struggled.

Golf we still seem to punch above our weight, and cycling (though not nearly much as the Brits- see the bit about money) but basketball is the one that surprises me too.

A guy like Ingles is interesting though. There would have been hundreds of more talented young American (and probably European) players at the same age when he was younger but he's surpassed so many of them. Work ethic, honest self assessment, competitiveness- talent can only take you so far. Heard an interesting comment from him-decisiveness can make a slow player look fast- so true in all sports, particularly one where probably everyone else on the court is faster.
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Agree with that. Simmons is a different kettle of fish though- tapped from day 1 as a superstar, not much chance of him ever being underrated- but agree he may well end up Australia’s greatest ever, at least from an overseas perspective.

Need to mention Minjee Lee. Fifth ranked female golfer on the planet though I doubt most Aussies have even heard of her.

overseas perspective, do you mean a USA perspective? Greater than Laver, Dawn Fraser etc ?

I have heard of Minjee, what a great name Smile, and can those little girls belt the ball a long way Shocked

Don't think swimming's really rated overseas. It's probably viewed like weightlifting or judo tbh. Laver is an interesting one- the game back in the 60s before the Open era seems like a bit of an Anglo gentleman's game. With the influx of the Euro in the 80/90s we've found it much tougher. I think Rod would have too. Some say he would have been a champion in any era and maybe that's true, but he was splashing around in a much shallower talent pool than Kyrgios is. Not that I'm comparing the two...

Simmons might become a genuine superstar in a truly international sport. We haven't had one in soccer, and if we did, they would shoot straight to number one.
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Agree with Leishman - love to see him win a couple of majors - definitely has the right game.

Don't follow basketball, but I thought Ingles was a race car driver, so he fits the profile.
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