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    Posted: 04 Apr 2025 at 9:02pm
I’m hoping someone might like to comment (good or bad) on these two mares’ pedigrees and their prospective progeny.

And as I’m hopeless at posting pedigrees I’m hoping Djebel et al are still alive 😀 and can help me out.


Both in foal to Tiger Of Malay.

Bouboulina (New Approach x Too Darn Hot [Noble Bijou])

Palladium Lady (Camelot x Crowded House [Grand Lodge]

Any and all comments welcome ❤️

ETA: Makes it easier to search for Wink


Edited by Gay3 - 04 Apr 2025 at 9:24pm
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Iĺ look later free-fall not on computer and have a busy morning 
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Thanks Furious.
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Just had a look Freefall (waiting on a slow daughter!)  Maybe if your trying for a homebred stayer.  I think they wouldn't be commercial.  One never started an the other had five unplaced runs.  Now mares can overcome that - some just don't try.  But you go back to Too Darn Hot (Noble Bijou) who had a LR win and produced a Sydney Cup winner by Galileo.  Also in the family is Aurora's Symphony a very good mare in Tassie.  

Now that is staying blood.  No one wants to buy a stayer in Australia.  Neither mare has done much although there is one winner Cosmos Factory (Highland Reef so bringing back the Galileo blood).  But then the 2022 foal has been sold to Indonesia.  That is a family no one wants anymore.
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Thanks for taking the time Furious.

It’s no wonder that my good mate who bred them both got zero bids when they were put up on an Inglis Digital sale a couple of weeks ago 🤯

He bought Too Darn Hot in NZ in the early 90’s and we raced her with good results. She became his matriarch.

He’s spent his breeding career concentrating on stayers. And I think you are right, no one wants to buy stayers anymore. Except me, my mate and a few others. A real shame. Easier to buy semi-proven stayers from the UK 🥵

Anyway, he’s decided to sell down a few of his mares. At Gooree he’s paying top dollar for agistment, foaling down and sales’ preps, without the prospect of a return on the sale of the Tiger Of Malay progeny.

He’s almost at the stage where the two of them are, “free to a good home.”
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You've identified the problem yourself FF: your mate's breeding strategy has been questionable from the get go.  

Thing is both mares have heavily middle distance to stayer/professional profiles: think Balmerino, Noble Bijou, Sadler's Wells, Vaguely Noble, Mellay etc.  In the old days they used to say putting a staying sire over a speed mare or the reverse led to a slow sprinter or a weak stayer.  That's no longer the case and the way racing is today you need to build speed into foals by these types of mares otherwise you'll just breed hunter-type gallopers.

However the damage is done now so reckon the bloke's better off pulling the pin.
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Thanks SC.

It’s a bit like the Holy Grail though.

Some keep looking for it.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

You've identified the problem yourself FF: your mate's breeding strategy has been questionable from the get go.  

Thing is both mares have heavily middle distance to stayer/professional profiles: think Balmerino, Noble Bijou, Sadler's Wells, Vaguely Noble, Mellay etc.  In the old days they used to say putting a staying sire over a speed mare or the reverse led to a slow sprinter or a weak stayer.  That's no longer the case and the way racing is today you need to build speed into foals by these types of mares otherwise you'll just breed hunter-type gallopers.

However the damage is done now so reckon the bloke's better off pulling the pin.

Early days paid dividends. Not so much now.

I remember he and his wife stayed at our place on their way to the Melbourne Cup when Niwot ran.

There was a breeder’s trophy. He quipped that if he won he’d have to jump the fence to get to the presentations.

Niwot was the first Aussie bred horse home from memory.
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Yes, times change.  Look at the two favorites for today's Derby, even if the below is a bit simplistic:

Willydoit: by a VRC Derby winner from a More Than Ready mare from a Danasinga mare.
Aeliana: by a son of Dundeel from a Star Witness mare.

Doesn't matter so much what's further back: more the fact that the immediate dam-side of both provide leg speed to complement the staying elements in both pedigrees.


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Everyone forget Zabeel was a miler.  But the best staying sire around.  Without speed you are a plodder.
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You also need speed to be a top class stayer.

I am off tomorrow so will have a closer look but the damage is not done. Jim Bolger loved these types. 
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Has Laskarina been retired to stud ?

Bit of a shame she was not given a chance in Victoria in those 2500 - 3000m races or even a shot at the Jericho Cup.
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Supido has gone up a bit from a low of $8000 to his current mark of 15000+ but he is a stallion I'd support if I could afford it. 
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Has Laskarina been retired to stud ?

Bit of a shame she was not given a chance in Victoria in those 2500 - 3000m races or even a shot at the Jericho Cup.

Agree Djebel.

She was sold on Inglis Digital for $600 to Reynolds’s Bloodstock in May last year. Had a tendon injury that ended her racing career.

I just realised that Laskarina Bouboulina was a Greek naval commander in the 1700’s.

My mate who bred two horses named as above is married to a Greek girl. Makes sense now!

So does another mare, Endaxi. Meaning in Greek, OK or “all right”.

She’s the dam of Bush Girl.

You can spend $$$$ on horses as long as your wife gets to name them apparently 😂😂
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Djebel should like this 😀

A gelding from Palladium Lady was trained by Kerry Parker (Cosmos Factory) until recently but was transferred to Shane Jackson at Warnambool because of the lack of staying races available in NSW. With Kerry’s blessing btw.

This Sunday is nominated for a race at Ararat in attempt to get some qualification points for the Jericho Cup.

A Highweight over…4000m!


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Yes there used to be a 2400 or 2000m race every weekend back in my youth.  Very few and far between now.  Even the overseas stayers need to know how to sprint.
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Also look at Half Yours Freefall.  That bit of Vain really helped.  There can be no doubt he's a stayer but that speed at the end of the race is just as important.
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