Pepperano

Hi Kimberley, thankyou for that information it is interesting.  i can't help but think pepperano is crying out for sir tristram and no surprise to see sir tristram prominent in surprise baby.  i know the foreman of her trainer said she was a cripple and no wonder racing such a big horse early and 8 times as a 2 year old.  she was very unlucky in the 2 million dollar magic millions to run second.  Crested Wave sire Surfers Paradise also I think who won the Cox Plate?  i noticed Surprise baby also brings Machiavellian in through the sire.  i am liking admire mars more and more.  especially three lines of Halo in the first five generations to a mare with two strains of danehill.  more than ready being a grandson of halo.

Hi Progold.  Thankyou for this response.

Hi Second Chance, I want from a distance perspective a horse that can win the Golden Slipper at 2 and Cox Plate at 3.  Like Anamoe very nearly did.  For me this is part of the attraction of Admire Mars for my mare.  Pepperano has ample speed and he adds some stamina.  Both very early runners at good levels.  A horse that can run early, win from 1200 to 1600 metres and offers some chance of running 2000 metres.  Very few stallions offer this opportunity, even ones that were competitive themselves like Pierro or All Too Hard.  Castelvecchio may be one, but his progeny are too heavy for my mare and on the basis that he is, you couldn't discount Dundeel.  Complimenting my mare with this cross, is the fact she is already a big bulky sprinter with good speed and a miler should refine her nicely.  

Progold apologies.  Was Eagle Farm yesterday for Trifling win.

Hi Progold,

We have to be careful with suggesting what characteristics we think that a stallion may transmit to their progeny. In the case of Court Command, he got three Listed winners, two at 1200m and one at 1400m. Hardly a suggestion of stamina. Ferocity and Lion Hunter were basically speed sires. It is hard to imagine that there really is any stamina likely being transferred. Crested Wave was allocated as an Intermediate/Classic influence so again we come back to a lack of obvious stamina influences in the pedigree. It is all about balance, and I think this is what is needed in the mare's progeny. It is possible that Admire Mars may be a source of stamina, but he has also been a leading 2yo sire so I would be happy to wait and see. Sunday Silence who we like to see as something of a stamina influence because of the quality of the Japanese thoroughbred, he clearly was a true classic influence with his progeny to the fore especially in the 3yo classics. While Ticino points out the German connection of his family, a line of the family ended up in Qld where it failed quite badly at distances under 1400m through matings with Qld speed sires. Her matings to date have not seen the introduction of stamina, and I believe that in particular stamina sires like Galileo, Sadler's Wells and Zabeel that we know are wonderful stamina influences, will probably introduce exactly those physical characteristics that you are looking for if they are close up in the stallion's pedigree.

Not seeing anything in the Vadamos mating that would warrant sending the mare to NZ. However, if NZ was an option, one I would look at is Ocean Park. I like the idea of bringing in other lines of Northern Dancer to complement the Danzig in particular in the mare. The sex balance duplication of Damascus is likely a plus and he was a remarkable racehorse and stallion from arguably the golden era of US racing. Importantly the stallion is probably exactly the type you are looking for, with the ability to get those versatile runners. He is by Thorn Park who many Qlders will know well hailing from the Denise's Joy family, out of a mare by Zabeel and himself from the female line of Hunza. It is interestingly the family of Fixed Flush who not only won stakes races in Qld, but also was a very good albeit underrated local stallion. The family also features O'Reilly who was a son of Last Tycoon who was a stallion that was mentioned in some discussions on the mare.

I don't think Daumier was mentioned so, as he's just been announced as standing next season, he could be worth a thought.
He has his own thread in the Stallions Forum & djebel has kindly posted his pedigree chart 

Edited by Gay3 - 28 Feb 2023 at 7:07pm

Suggest without elaboration that you absolutely forget Daumier.  Others can enter the fray.

Hi, just wanted to give you an update if you are still around.  The Ole Kirk x Pepperano is a gun.  Soon to race and called Youre not the King.  She also has a Graff foal we are very happy with.  Could not get back into Ole Kirk as he was booked out instantly so we are looking at St Mark's Basilica.  I really like Mo'unga for her also so we are considering him.  

Good luck with your not the king jeffrey 

Yes.  Good luck as I think Ole Kirk will give you a decent horse.