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Make that recognition count for something then, MC.  I certainly recognised that elder lady , and listened properly to what she said.  I have seen a couple of elders speak at various times, and they have made me pay attention, and appreciate and applaud what they said. 
But the paint and feathers ?  Naaaaah, how much are they getting paid , is all I think when I see that. 
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Make that recognition count for something then, MC.  I certainly recognised that elder lady , and listened properly to what she said.  I have seen a couple of elders speak at various times, and they have made me pay attention, and appreciate and applaud what they said. 
But the paint and feathers ?  Naaaaah, how much are they getting paid , is all I think when I see that. 
This isn’t about you, it’s about a welcoming 
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Mate....pls don't quote the above post

Maybe try Whales approach....he's ALMOST got it down pat !
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But if no one is interested, and not paying attention, whats the point ?  Dont you want people like me to recognise you, your people and your country, and customs ?  If so, do it in a way that garners attention. 
If the biggest % of people watching are going to the toilet while its happening ?  Even Indig people are speaking out and saying its gimmicky and not well done ? Surely there is a better way ?
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

But sorry Afros. I am not ashamed of the fat blokes in feathers comment.  Its as Ponies says. Gimmicky at best and cringeworthy at worst.  Waste of time and money . Do WTC for special events, but get someone worthy to represent their people to speak for them and their lands.
Just out of interest, if its a cultural thing, why have I never seen it anywhere until the last 10/15 years maybe ?  I spent over half my growing up years around Indig kids, and their parents, from a nearby mission, at many sporting and other events, and never ever did I see anything remotely like that.  Celebrations, dancing, yes, but nothing like that stuff they pump out now and tell us its cultural. 

Probably because it has only been allowed to happen more recently? Aboriginal culture has been ignored and repressed since the English first decided to settle this continent, for example did you know that early explorers actually reported finding Aboriginals practising forms of farming, however this information was surpressed/ignored as it went against the legal claim that the continent was terra nullius?

Also, what hurts you anyway with them performing these ceremonies?  Since you persist with this fat blokes with feathers line, as though you think it makes you sound witty, I'm going to assume you have neither knowledge or respect for Aboriginal culture ergo you wouldn't actually be able to tell us what is Aboriginal culture.
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I dont think too many white fellas can claim to know much at all about Aboriginal culture.  With so many different tribes , language, and traditions, spread out over vast areas, who knows much of what is the real culture ?
It doesnt hurt me .  But if as MC claims, its recognition, its not working, as even you must be aware of how many leave the TV for a coffee break when ever the feathered friends come on.  There is so much more that could be done . Actually has been done. By elders speaking to audiences in interesting ways . 
Anyway, the subject has been done to death.  You enjoy whatever makes you happy, and I will give the feathered friends a miss, and wont bother making comment any more. 

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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

I dont think too many white fellas can claim to know much at all about Aboriginal culture.  With so many different tribes , language, and traditions, spread out over vast areas, who knows much of what is the real culture ?
It doesnt hurt me .  But if as MC claims, its recognition, its not working, as even you must be aware of how many leave the TV for a coffee break when ever the feathered friends come on.  There is so much more that could be done . Actually has been done. By elders speaking to audiences in interesting ways . 
Anyway, the subject has been done to death.  You enjoy whatever makes you happy, and I will give the feathered friends a miss, and wont bother making comment any more. 


And calling First Nations people “feathered friends”? That’s not clever — it’s condescending

Racism 

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What’s the saying,you can take a horse to water
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This will be my last post on this 

— because no matter how many facts are put out there, the racists just don’t get it. And let’s be honest: with that kind of deep, inbuilt prejudice, they never will. They refuse to understand the fight of Indigenous people to be recognised in their own country — and more importantly, the fact they’re still not recognised in the Constitution.


I’m proud to have voted YES — because even though it didn’t pass, it showed us exactly where the lines are drawn. The divide is real, and now it’s out in the open. For those still clinging to denial: history won’t remember you kindly


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Yoorrook commission split over findings on injustices against Indigenous people

ByChip Le Grand and Daniella White

Updated July 1, 2025 — 12.08pmfirst published June 30, 2025 — 7.55pm

(Vic govt enquiry, report in The Age online, extracts0

Irreconcilable differences between Yoorrook commissioners have split Victoria’s truth-telling process, with a majority refusing to put their names to all the commission’s findings and boycotting the handover of its final reports.

The Victorian government will table in state parliament on Tuesday the Yoorrook Justice Commission’s final reports into systemic injustices perpetrated against First Peoples since European settlement and make public the findings and recommendations of a four-year inquiry established to inform the state’s treaty process.

This masthead can reveal that consensus on some of the findings broke down to the point where three of five commissioners – deputy chair Sue-Anne Hunter, University of Tasmania professor Maggie Walter and former Federal Court judge Anthony North – considered writing a dissenting report.

Instead, following a series of crisis meetings across Yoorrook and Victoria’s First Peoples’ Assembly and interventions by respected Indigenous community figures, an accommodation was reached to enable publication of the reports without formal dissent.

Under the compromise struck, the commission’s account of Victoria’s history of colonisation, as told by First Peoples to Yoorrook, carries a fine-print caveat that three commissioners do not support all findings contained in the report.

This caveat, which appears in a single line, does not identify findings on which the commission agreed and those that are subject to dispute. It also gives no indication of the depth of division that plagued the truth-telling process.

(Supppose many of us argue about history and / or its meaning)

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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

I dont think too many white fellas can claim to know much at all about Aboriginal culture.  With so many different tribes , language, and traditions, spread out over vast areas, who knows much of what is the real culture ?
It doesnt hurt me .  But if as MC claims, its recognition, its not working, as even you must be aware of how many leave the TV for a coffee break when ever the feathered friends come on.  There is so much more that could be done . Actually has been done. By elders speaking to audiences in interesting ways . 
Anyway, the subject has been done to death.  You enjoy whatever makes you happy, and I will give the feathered friends a miss, and wont bother making comment any more. 


"Fat blokes with feathers" and "Feathered friends" are not the zingers you think they are, it just shows you as the ignorant racist you've always appeared to be.
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Great report there Tom....only 4 years in the making. 

3 of the intellectuals who put it together don't agree with SOME of the findings. Even threatening to publish their own version Confused

But the real "zinger" for me (Afros terminology)....the findings in dispute are not stated anywhere Confused

So it's absolutely straight in the bin. 

Wonder what the final cost of producing more bin waste was ?

In fact - why would you bother to publish it in the first place !
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One race wishes to have superior treatment eg a Voice to parliament, a welcome to country at every single get together. Thats the real racism. 
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Originally posted by mc41 mc41 wrote:

This will be my last post on this 

— because no matter how many facts are put out there, the racists just don’t get it. And let’s be honest: with that kind of deep, inbuilt prejudice, they never will. They refuse to understand the fight of Indigenous people to be recognised in their own country — and more importantly, the fact they’re still not recognised in the Constitution.


I’m proud to have voted YES — because even though it didn’t pass, it showed us exactly where the lines are drawn. The divide is real, and now it’s out in the open. For those still clinging to denial: history won’t remember you kindly



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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

But sorry Afros. I am not ashamed of the fat blokes in feathers comment.  Its as Ponies says. Gimmicky at best and cringeworthy at worst.  Waste of time and money . Do WTC for special events, but get someone worthy to represent their people to speak for them and their lands.
Just out of interest, if its a cultural thing, why have I never seen it anywhere until the last 10/15 years maybe ?  I spent over half my growing up years around Indig kids, and their parents, from a nearby mission, at many sporting and other events, and never ever did I see anything remotely like that.  Celebrations, dancing, yes, but nothing like that stuff they pump out now and tell us its cultural. 

Probably because it has only been allowed to happen more recently? Aboriginal culture has been ignored and repressed since the English first decided to settle this continent, for example did you know that early explorers actually reported finding Aboriginals practising forms of farming, however this information was surpressed/ignored as it went against the legal claim that the continent was terra nullius?

Also, what hurts you anyway with them performing these ceremonies?  Since you persist with this fat blokes with feathers line, as though you think it makes you sound witty, I'm going to assume you have neither knowledge or respect for Aboriginal culture ergo you wouldn't actually be able to tell us what is Aboriginal culture.
Umm....there are trillions of things that come under that banner. Standing in the backyard for an hour everyday doesn't hurt you either....doesn't mean you are going to do it Confused
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Interesting conundrum - coal face working unionist vs woke administrators supporting Welcome To Country


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Had to laugh when he said that he pointed out to them that they hadn't started his sacking meeting with the Welcome To Country LOL

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My last post too, I’m bowing out, it’s getting rude. 
I payed taxes all my life and it’s tax payers money being wasted once more. It’s been made commercial, shallow and overdone. 
People are sick of it, popping up everywhere whether we like it or not. More fitting to have dignified tribal elders/leaders at significant appropriate govt events and leave it at that. Keep it real. 
Indigenous people everywhere I’ve been and seen, and that’s all over Australia seem overwhelmingly to have their priorities wrong as far as healthy lifestyles, positive attitudes, independence of living, childcare, work ethic and so on. There are govt reports on indigenous communities that would shock and disgust you. THATS where the money should be going. To fix those extreme problems. 
To help the next generations and the young people who are at risk. 
Yet a minority can get a job, keep sober and lead a respected life in the community both white and black? They are doing it where I live, though they are definitely not the majority. 
The assistant coach at kids footy last week was a lovely indigenous guy, giving up his time for all the kids. Yet the team, who have quite a few indigenous kids, most of them talented players, only turning up occasionally as they don’t have the parental support to enable them to attend the games or even training. That is sad, that is not anyone’s fault but their parents. They are welcomed and included when they do manage to make it. The other kids hug them, shake their hand, laugh with them and treat them as the team mates they are. 
And for generations of white people, who by the way weren’t part of the first fleet, it’s just blame, blame, blame, give, give, give. 

It happened all over the world, it’s the way of the world. It will probably happen again, to us. 



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Now that we know the Yoorrook commission split over findings on injustices against Indigenous people, I imagine there will be a flurry of media initiated FOI requests.  I wouldn't expect any info to be released in a hurry if at all.  
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