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Still interested in whether oneone was at the funeral to kiss the Cardinal's ring.  Or if not, Tony's.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jujuno Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Feb 2023 at 5:34pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

 I did...it still has nothing to do with religion.

 


Plastic letters said that our resident weatherman was visiting Port and I replied that Port has been hit with a mini cyclone.

 and that related to Pell in what way?

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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

oneone has gone AWOL. Was nearly going to report him in the MIA thread.

I found the culprit for those who are getting their knickers in a knotLOL
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Justin Smith, columnist for the Herald Sun and Sky News, had to self publish this. I wonder why



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Is George a saint yet?Tongue Apparently it's a miracle he wasn't busted for protecting pedos.Big smile How many miracles do you need for sainthood?
Manners are of more importance than laws

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Victims of sex abuse by Pell receive compensation under redress scheme

Two men abused by the late Cardinal George Pell in the 1970s have been granted compensation, with one offered $45,000 just weeks before Pell’s death in 2022.

One of the men was offered a payment just five weeks before Pell died, in January 2023, after it was accepted by the scheme that he was groped on the genitals by Pell at a public swimming pool in Ballarat.

The other victim received compensation after the scheme was persuaded Pell had raped the then nine-year-old student at Ballarat’s St Francis Xavier Primary School. 

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Mr Pell died an innocent man, not a gutless mongrel like a few I could name....
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Just dripping with joy today aren't we Bonjour.
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Actually no Fiddle, just going in to bat for a man that died innocent in the eyes of many, including the law, I'm sorry if that triggers you.
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Oh, and BTW I'm not a Catholic.....
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Just a supporter of kiddy fiddlers…….
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bonjour Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 2025 at 5:23pm
Still at it Rusty? If he was alive Mr Pell could sue you for that, what is it you don't understand, he died innocent in the eyes of the law, you can't cop that can you?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rusty nails Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 2025 at 5:27pm
If he was alive,he would have been charged on a plethora of other offences involving child molestation.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bonjour Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 2025 at 5:34pm
Rubbish now you're just making things up. Although you can't stop copy cats and lunatics looking for an easy buck.
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Understanding the Burden of Proof in the NRS

The burden of proof refers to how much evidence is required to establish that abuse occurred. In the context of the National Redress Scheme, the burden of proof is “reasonable likelihood”. This standard is considerably lower than the “balance of probabilities” used in civil cases or the “beyond reasonable doubt” standard in criminal trials.

  • Reasonable likelihood means that based on the available evidence, it’s more likely than not that the abuse occurred.
  • This threshold is designed to be survivor-focused, recognising that abuse often took place many years ago and that physical evidence or documentation may no longer exist.


What Kind of Evidence is Needed?

The NRS does not require survivors to provide extensive evidence. Many survivors may not have official records or documentation to support their claims, and the scheme acknowledges this reality. Evidence may include:

  • Personal statements: A written account from the survivor describing the nature of the abuse, when and where it occurred, and any impacts on their life.
  • Supporting documents: If available, records like school enrolment details, witness statements, or other documents from the time may be helpful but are not mandatory.
  • Institutional records: The NRS has access to a vast range of institutional records, and if the survivor identifies the institution involved, the scheme will often be able to access relevant documents on the survivor’s behalf.

The focus is on credibility and consistency in the survivor’s statement rather than demanding conclusive proof. If there are any records or evidence that corroborate the survivor’s account, these will strengthen the claim, but they are not essential.


How the NRS Assesses Claims

Claims are assessed by independent decision-makers within the NRS. Their role is to evaluate the information provided and determine whether it meets the “reasonable likelihood” standard. The assessors:

  • Review the survivor’s application.
  • Consider any supporting documents.
  • Access institutional records where necessary.
  • Make a determination based on the overall credibility of the evidence.

Importantly, survivors do not need to appear in person or provide testimony, and there is no cross-examination like in a court setting. This helps reduce the stress and trauma associated with recounting the abuse.

https://koffels.com.au/the-burden-of-proof-in-the-national-redress-scheme-what-survivors-need-to-know/


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Who are the "independent decision-makers"?
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You can all believe what you like.  For right or wrong.

However to my mind he most likely assaulted minors during his time in Ballarat.  And why
not, at least three serving priests in the diocese have been found guilty of doing just that: two before later being moved on, by a promoted Pell it needs be said and which has been accepted in Law, to commit even more sodomy. 

A pox on his memory.
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Pell aside, if you're only given 95 grand after being presumably anally raped as a 9 y/o ("my bottom was bleeding afterwards"), what the hell constitutes a full 150 grand??? I mean that seriously.
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Originally posted by stayer stayer wrote:

Pell aside, if you're only given 95 grand after being presumably anally raped as a 9 y/o ("my bottom was bleeding afterwards"), what the hell constitutes a full 150 grand??? I mean that seriously.

deary me and you reckon i'm unstable..Confused
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Did you read the article, fiddles?
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