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Let's put it another way. Who on this forum is willing to pay in the vicinity of $40K plus GST
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Not us, we were lucky enough to get in early. Out of our league now. I think last year a lot of services were kept for shareholders, even so, he was booked out? He’s getting lots of support and showing lots of potential. He does have a big percentage of winners. No doubt they’re being over the top, but what stallion owners don’t reach for the stars while they can?
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Keeps getting winners locally. Seems to have an affinity for HK racing too.
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8 runners in Hong Kong today. They seem to have taken a real shining to his stock.
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Typical DF. Half a Gr 1Tongue
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A prolific sire of winners, he now has a Group 1 feather in his cap, go Deep Field! I predict another important sire of the future who didnt win a Group race himself. Especially now the better class mares start appearing on his doorstep. 
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That three year old quite a looker too.  Although I was on the other one!
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I think his figures speak for themselves  60% w:r     2.8% SW   AEI  1.18
Make your own judgement but to be considered a leading sire the benchmarks are  >5% SW and an AEI
>1.5.  He has a long way to go
At present he is a handy sire who when priced right   $25-30K would be considered a good mid-range bread & butter investment.
That is not a knock but a market place fact. I would compare him with Nicconi, Magnus etc ( nothing wrong with that)
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Originally posted by antlowes antlowes wrote:

https://www.breednet.com.au/news/13645/sire-averages-for-all-sales--food-for-thought-data-

The market keeps supporting his progeny. Highest number of sales through the ring (105) and the highest multiplier on his 2018 service fee (7.5x).

Sorry, highest multiplier with sales > 15 in total
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$88,000 this season. ?????
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Amazing.
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Kicked off the season well with an early stakes winner and the overall leading sire by winners (and 2nd on p/money). Could be a big Spring for himand needs it to justify the 88k.
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Originally posted by Glencoe Glencoe wrote:

I think his figures speak for themselves  60% w:r     2.8% SW   AEI  1.18
Make your own judgement but to be considered a leading sire the benchmarks are  >5% SW and an AEI
>1.5.  He has a long way to go
At present he is a handy sire who when priced right   $25-30K would be considered a good mid-range bread & butter investment.
That is not a knock but a market place fact. I would compare him with Nicconi, Magnus etc ( nothing wrong with that)
How do you factor in relative mare quality into consideration when using SW% and AEI as a blanket benchmark for these (initially) lower end stallions?
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Originally posted by Glencoe Glencoe wrote:

I think his figures speak for themselves  60% w:r     2.8% SW   AEI  1.18
Make your own judgement but to be considered a leading sire the benchmarks are  >5% SW and an AEI
>1.5.  He has a long way to go
At present he is a handy sire who when priced right   $25-30K would be considered a good mid-range bread & butter investment.
That is not a knock but a market place fact. I would compare him with Nicconi, Magnus etc ( nothing wrong with that)

His progression will be interesting, I think that his current SW% of now 3.2% marks him as likely (not definitely) a better stallion than Nicconi (3.8%) and Magnus (3.6%) when you factor in the facts that he is much younger, so likely has a higher proportion of his stakes winners 'coming through' than they would and that a few of his best horses are in HK.

But certainly interesting to see if he can maintain that fee.
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Has 600-odd that are now five, four or three.  Plenty of winners including eight stakes-winners.  But only one high class performer thus far and with an AEI not far above above average.

As inferred earlier he's a truly great winner finder, but at $88k about 300% above his real value both in the sale yard and on the track.  

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Our DF filly is still here unbroken, still trying to choose who to send her to. The last filly we had broken came back with hard swellings on both back fetlocks. Some sort of concussion, she doesnt knock herself at all in training. Dont affect her, but still.....
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I must confess I underestimated this bloke especially as he has found a niche market at present in Honkers
Bit of a worry though if you breed a filly at $88k
With 65% w:r, 3.5% SW, and an AEI of 1.19 he is proving to be good mid range stallion
Question mark on his progeny in proper Gr1 & Gr 2 races but that may improve if he upgrades his recent harems
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Circumstances aside, a G1 Hong Kong Sprint winner sure helps the page. 
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3.5% SW/R & he is now at $88k.....

Also been a weaker 12 months at only 3.1% SW/R.

It is all about 'quantity' of runners.
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Yulong Investments continued their unrivalled spending spree when parting with another $1.5m to secure another of Australia's most sought after broodmares, Macroura, at the National Broodmare Sale on Thursday.

Macroura is a three-quarter sister to Group 1 Surround Stakes-winning filly Sunshine In Paris who was sold in the same Magic Millions ring on Tuesday for $3.9m and her dam, Zenaida, who will also head to Yulong's Mangalore property after being purchased for $1.4m on Wednesday.

The dual stakes-winning daughter of Snitzel was one of three mares in the sale in foal to the recently retired Deep Field whose stallion career ended due to fertility issues.
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Thanks Gay.  Most unfortunate.  He was quite fertile earlier on but 2021 was disappointing and it appears evident that 2022 was/will be a disaster.

His old man Northern Meteor prematurely deceased and now him prematurely retired. 
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Newgate 2025 service fees

Stallion2025 fee2024 fee
Artorius$22,000$22,000
Brutal$16,500$16,500
Capitalist$44,000$66,000
Cosmic Force$16,500$11,000
Extreme Choice$330,000$275,000
In the Congo$27,500$27,500
King's Gambit$22,000$22,000
North Pacific$11,000$16,500
Ozzmosis$44,000$44,000
Profiteer$11,000$11,000
Russian Revolution$33,000$66,000
State Of Rest$22,000$27,500
Stay Inside$66,000$55,000
Tassort$38,500$38,500
Tiger Of Malay$11,000$11,000
Wild Ruler$27,500$27,500
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Interesting Brutal stays the same .
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And Russian Revolution halves to $33k?
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Hmmm.  Wonder who works these fees out, and the reason behind some of them .Confused
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The halo effect of being one of those sons of Extreme Choice, plus the positive reception of buyers to Stay Inside’s first crop has led Newgate to lift the Golden Slipper winner’s 2025 fee to $66,000 in his fourth season.

A price rise in the season a sire has his first runners to the track is an unusual move, but Field said Newgate probably reacted too much to the stallion fee market when dropping his fee from $77,000 to $55,000 last year.

“His first yearlings have been unbelievably well sought after, and they've been beautiful stock, they  couldn't have been better animals,” he said.

“They're selling well above expectations. He's got a wonderful shareholder base in him and they're using the horse aggressively.  We are in a position where we've put his fee up from $50,000 to $60,000. We probably potentially mispriced him last year.”

Cosmic Force is the other stallion of Newgate’s 16 to have a fee rise. He jumps from $11,000 back to $16,500 (inc GST) which is what he started his career out at.

Two of Newgate’s proven stallions have had significant price drops. Both Capitalist and Russian Revolution stood at $66,000 last year, but have had their fees cut to $44,000 and $33,000 respectively.

“With Capitalist, I think we've arguably underpriced him (in 2025), but we've done it because there's such an importance out there for a horse like him,” Field said.  

“He was the eighth leading sire in Australia last year. He's always one of the leading sires by winners in the country. He's only a young stallion. We just feel like we wanted to price him so breeders could breed to a proven stallion at we think is a no-brainer fee.

“It really puts breeders in a position where they can be really profitable.”

Field acknowledged Russian Revolution’s momentum, in terms of racetrack results and sale ring results, hasn’t continued forward from the early promise as a champion first and second-season sire. He attributes this to an ‘ordinary’ book of mares in his third and fourth season.

“His fifth and sixth book of mares, these last two seasons were just phenomenal. They're a much better quality book of mares than his first and second season book of mares, and certainly much better than his third and fourth, I think there is an upswing coming there,” he said.

Among the nine stallions whose price remains the same as last year is Ozzmosis, who will serve his second crop. Field revealed the son of Zoustar will have an even higher quality book that his first season.

“He was a very important horse. We were very bullish on him. We feel, without sounding cliched, he ticks every box,” he said.

“He was a Coolmore Stud Stakes winner and an unbeaten two-year-old by a champion stallion, and a horse that would be unquestionably the most talented he's ever had. We'll be breeding more mares of our own to Ozzmosis than any other stallion on our roster this season,” he said.

Field said Newgate was very unlikely to add any new blood to its stallion ranks in 2025.

“We've been offered a couple of horses, lesser expensive horses to stand this year, but we feel  in this market, we want to focus on the blue chip stuff,” he said.

“Unless it's a horse that was to come up, that we were really, really, ultra bullish on, we're happy to have a year off from bringing any new horses in.” 

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Capitalist has a lifetime AEI of 1.12 and Russian Revolution 1.16.

Those are the type of numbers you'd usually associate with stallions standing for between $11 and 16.5k.

At Melbourne Premier Capitalist sales had a medium of $90k and Russian Revolution $50k.  Both figures represent a negative ROI.
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Hardly surprising people have lost patience with Capitalist. Many years of unfettered access to a very good standard of mare and yet only one Group One winner to his name, Captivant, who won a rather underwhelming edition of the Champagne as part of Capitalist's first crop.

He was a very popular sire among the stallion syndicates in his early career, too. Makes you wince to think about how much money and bloodstock was spent on him.
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