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Topic: 21/22 Australasian 2yo breeding Stamina Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 2:25pm |
Hopefully I keep this upto date. I have a tendency to start these threads and quickly loose interest.
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Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 2:36pm |
First 2yo race of the season was last Saturday in New Zealand.
watch the race from the following link
CINCORO (NZ) | Brown filly 2019 | |
Savabeel Brown 2001 | Zabeel Bay 1986 | Sir Tristram Bay 1971 | Sir Ivor Bay 1965 | Sir Gaylord Attica | 1959 1953 | 2-s 8-g | Isolt Bay 1961 | Round Table All My Eye | 1954 1954 | 2-f 6-e | Lady Giselle Bay 1982 | Nureyev Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Special | 1961 1969 | 2-d 5-h | Valderna Bay 1972 | Val de Loir Derna | 1959 1961 | 5-h 16-c | Savannah Success Brown 1995 | Success Express Bay 1985 | Hold Your Peace Bay 1969 | Speak John Blue Moon | 1958 1948 | 1-l 12-b | Au Printemps Bay 1979 | Dancing Champ Lorgnette | 1972 1964 | 4-r 17-b | Alma Mater Brown 1988 | Semipalatinsk Bay 1978 | Nodouble School Board | 1965 1968 | A1 23-b | Sweetie Brown 1981 | Without Fear Virginia | 1967 1972 | 4-c 1-o | Fortaleza Bay 2013 | Darci Brahma Bay 2002 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Grand Echezeaux Brown 1996 | Zabeel Bay 1986 | Sir Tristram Lady Giselle | 1971 1982 | 6-e 16-c | Richebourg Brown 1980 | Vice Regal Mary Mead | 1973 1964 | 3-e 16> | Bunyah Chestnut 2001 | Distant View Chestnut 1991 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Seven Springs Chestnut 1982 | Irish River La Trinite | 1976 1976 | 1-w 16-a | Miss Mistletoes Bay or brown 1990 | The Minstrel Chestnut 1974 | Northern Dancer Fleur | 1961 1964 | 2-d 8-f | December Blossom Brown 1978 | Condorcet Feemoss | 1972 1960 | 10-c 1-k |
| Ancestor duplications: | Zabeel | 2m x 4f | | Northern Dancer | 5m x 5m,5m |
KAHMA SUITSYA (NZ) | Bay filly 2019 | |
Tavistock Bay 2005 | Montjeu Bay 1996 | Sadler's Wells Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Special | 1968 1969 | 19-b 5-h | Floripedes Bay 1985 | Top Ville Bay 1976 | High Top Sega Ville | 1969 1968 | 11-a 8-i | Toute Cy Bay 1979 | Tennyson Adele Toumignon | 1970 1971 | 1-t 1-u | Upstage Bay 1998 | Quest for Fame Bay or brown 1987 | Rainbow Quest Bay 1981 | Blushing Groom I Will Follow | 1974 1975 | 22-d 14-f | Aryenne Bay 1977 | Green Dancer Americaine | 1972 1968 | 16-c 4-i | Pedestal Chestnut 1986 | High Line Chestnut 1966 | High Hat Time Call | 1957 1955 | 2-o 5-e | Mrs Moss Chestnut 1969 | Reform Golden Plate | 1964 1964 | 5-h 14-b | Zihuatanejo Bay 2009 | Dylan Thomas Bay 2003 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Lagrion Chestnut 1989 | Diesis Chestnut 1980 | Sharpen Up Doubly Sure | 1969 1971 | 5-i 2-o | Wrap It Up Chestnut 1979 | Mount Hagen Doc Nan | 1971 1963 | 1-p 9-c | Euphoria Bay 1991 | Marauding Bay 1984 | Sir Tristram Bay 1971 | Sir Ivor Isolt | 1965 1961 | 8-g 6-e | Biscalowe Chestnut 1979 | Biscay Nunkalowe | 1965 1972 | 2-o 4-i | Joy and Fun Bay 1978 | Showdown Chestnut 1961 | Infatuation Zanzara | 1951 1951 | 16-g 6-b | Denise's Joy Bay 1972 | Seventh Hussar Fun for All | 1966 1959 | 14-c 16-c |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 4m x 5m |
GIBRALTAR RISING (NZ) | Bay colt 2019 | |
Almanzor Bay or brown 2013 | Wootton Bassett Bay 2008 | Iffraaj Bay 2001 | Zafonic Bay 1990 | Gone West Zaizafon | 1984 1982 | 2-f 9-e | Pastorale Chestnut 1988 | Nureyev Park Appeal | 1977 1982 | 5-h 14-c | Balladonia Bay 1996 | Primo Dominie Bay 1982 | Dominion Swan Ann | 1972 1971 | 3-e 9-e | Susquehanna Days Bay 1990 | Chief's Crown Gliding By | 1982 1975 | 23-b 2-n | Darkova Chestnut 2008 | Maria's Mon Grey 1993 | Wavering Monarch Bay 1979 | Majestic Light Uncommitted | 1973 1974 | 8-c 8-h | Carlotta Maria Grey 1984 | Caro Water Malone | 1967 1974 | 3-o 1-l | Darkara Bay 2001 | Halling Chestnut 1991 | Diesis Dance Machine | 1980 1982 | 2-o 10-c | Daralbayda Bay 1993 | Doyoun Daralinsha | 1985 1984 | 21-a 1-e | Star of Gibraltar Bay 1999 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Pas de Nom Bay or brown 1968 | Admiral's Voyage Petitioner | 1959 1952 | 4-n 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Bay 1968 | Ribot Flower Bowl | 1952 1952 | 4-l 4-d | Spring Adieu Bay 1974 | Buckpasser Natalma | 1963 1957 | 1-s 2-d | Push a Venture Bay 1994 | Shirley Heights Bay 1975 | Mill Reef Bay 1968 | Never Bend Milan Mill | 1960 1962 | 19-b 22-d | Hardiemma Bay 1969 | Hardicanute Grand Cross | 1962 1952 | 3-j 1-l | Push a Button Bay 1980 | Bold Lad Bay 1964 | Bold Ruler Barn Pride | 1954 1957 | 8-d 2-e | River Lady Bay 1963 | Prince John Nile Lily | 1953 1954 | 14-f 10-a |
| Ancestor duplications: | Natalma | x 5m,5f |
INTENT (AUS) | Bay colt 2019 | |
Lonhro Brown 1998 | Octagonal Brown 1992 | Zabeel Bay 1986 | Sir Tristram Bay 1971 | Sir Ivor Isolt | 1965 1961 | 8-g 6-e | Lady Giselle Bay 1982 | Nureyev Valderna | 1977 1972 | 5-h 16-c | Eight Carat Brown 1975 | Pieces of Eight Brown 1963 | Relic Baby Doll | 1945 1956 | 8-f 3-o | Klairessa Bay or brown 1969 | Klairon Courtessa | 1952 1955 | 1-w 9-c | Shadea Bay 1988 | Straight Strike Bay or brown 1977 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Bend Not Bay 1972 | Never Bend Jennie Sue | 1960 1961 | 19-b 11> | Concia Bay 1978 | First Consul Bay 1970 | Forli Bold Consort | 1963 1960 | 3-b 5-f | My Tricia Brown 1974 | Hermes Gay Poss | 1963 1966 | 11-d 8> | Lagertha Bay 2012 | Exceed and Excel Bay 2000 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Patrona Chestnut 1994 | Lomond Bay 1980 | Northern Dancer My Charmer | 1961 1969 | 2-d 13-c | Gladiolus Chestnut 1974 | Watch Your Step Back Britches | 1956 1964 | 6-a 23-b | Bonissimo Black 2004 | Johannesburg Bay 1999 | Hennessy Chestnut 1993 | Storm Cat Island Kitty | 1983 1976 | 8-c 8-c | Myth Bay 1993 | Ogygian Yarn | 1983 1987 | 16-a 2-f | Sorboniere Brown 1993 | Kenmare Grey 1975 | Kalamoun Belle of Ireland | 1970 1964 | 9-c 1-m | Sorbonne Bay 1980 | Alleged Serenita | 1974 1975 | 2-s 7-e |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | x 5m,5m |
FEEL THE THUNDER (NZ) | Bay filly 2019 | |
Thunder Down Under Bay 2012 | Street Sense Bay or brown 2004 | Street Cry Bay or brown 1998 | Machiavellian Bay or brown 1987 | Mr Prospector Coup de Folie | 1970 1982 | 13-c 2-d | Helen Street Bay 1982 | Troy Waterway | 1976 1976 | 1-b 1-l | Bedazzle Bay 1997 | Dixieland Band Bay 1980 | Northern Dancer Mississippi Mud | 1961 1973 | 2-d 4-m | Majestic Legend Bay 1985 | His Majesty Long Legend | 1968 1978 | 4-d 22-b | River Dreaming Bay 2006 | Galileo Bay 1998 | Sadler's Wells Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer Fairy Bridge | 1961 1975 | 2-d 5-h | Urban Sea Chestnut 1989 | Miswaki Allegretta | 1978 1978 | 16-g 9-h | Armure Royale Bay 1998 | Woodman Chestnut 1983 | Mr Prospector Playmate | 1970 1975 | 13-c 1-s | All Along Bay 1979 | Targowice Agujita | 1970 1966 | 16-g 1-d | Red Alert Bay 2011 | Red Giant Chestnut 2004 | Giant's Causeway Chestnut 1997 | Storm Cat Bay or brown 1983 | Storm Bird Terlingua | 1978 1976 | 4-j 8-c | Mariah's Storm Bay 1991 | Rahy Immense | 1985 1979 | 12-c 11> | Beyond the Sun Bay 1996 | Kingmambo Bay 1990 | Mr Prospector Miesque | 1970 1984 | 13-c 20> | Carnet Solaire Bay 1983 | Sharpen Up Konafa | 1969 1973 | 5-i 22-b | Flightoftheconcord Bay 2006 | Savabeel Brown 2001 | Zabeel Bay 1986 | Sir Tristram Lady Giselle | 1971 1982 | 6-e 16-c | Savannah Success Brown 1995 | Success Express Alma Mater | 1985 1988 | 17-b 1-o | Centa Belt Bay 2000 | Centaine Brown 1980 | Century Rainbeam | 1969 1973 | 20> C7 | Lady Di Chestnut 1991 | Star of Luskin Princess Diana | 1984 1978 | 2-g 2-g |
| Ancestor duplications: | Mr Prospector | 5m,5m x 5m | | Northern Dancer | 5m,5m x |
GWEN STEPHANI (NZ) | Chestnut filly 2019 | |
El Roca Bay 2010 | Fastnet Rock Bay 2001 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Piccadilly Circus Bay 1995 | Royal Academy Bay 1987 | Nijinsky Crimson Saint | 1967 1969 | 8-f 8-c | Gatana Bay 1989 | Marauding Twigalae | 1984 1979 | 4-i 2-f | Rubimill Bay 2004 | Rubiton Brown 1983 | Century Brown 1969 | Better Boy Royal Suite | 1951 1960 | 2-n 20> | Ruby Bay 1977 | Seventh Hussar Briar's Toddy | 1966 1971 | 14-c 4-l | Mill Rani Bay 1981 | Millionaire Brown 1974 | Mill Reef State Pension | 1968 1967 | 22-d 7-a | Sana Rani Bay or brown 1969 | Pakistan Skewe | 1958 1950 | 6-d 27> | Shezablonde Bay 2005 | Fusaichi Pegasus Bay 1997 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Chestnut 1961 | Native Dancer Raise You | 1950 1946 | 5-f 8-f | Gold Digger Bay 1962 | Nashua Sequence | 1952 1946 | 3-m 13-c | Angel Fever Bay 1990 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Rowdy Angel Bay 1979 | Halo Ramhyde | 1969 1972 | 2-d 8-c | She's a Pretender Bay 1997 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Leica Pretender Bay 1984 | Sir Tristram Bay 1971 | Sir Ivor Isolt | 1965 1961 | 8-g 6-e | Pretend to Leica Bay 1972 | Pretendre Miss Valeica | 1963 1960 | 1-w 8-k |
| Ancestor duplications: | Danzig | 4m x 4f,4m | | Danehill | 3m x 3f |
THE LITTLE ENGINE (NZ) | Brown gelding 2019 | |
Darci Brahma Bay 2002 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Pas de Nom Bay or brown 1968 | Admiral's Voyage Petitioner | 1959 1952 | 4-n 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Bay 1968 | Ribot Flower Bowl | 1952 1952 | 4-l 4-d | Spring Adieu Bay 1974 | Buckpasser Natalma | 1963 1957 | 1-s 2-d | Grand Echezeaux Brown 1996 | Zabeel Bay 1986 | Sir Tristram Bay 1971 | Sir Ivor Isolt | 1965 1961 | 8-g 6-e | Lady Giselle Bay 1982 | Nureyev Valderna | 1977 1972 | 5-h 16-c | Richebourg Brown 1980 | Vice Regal Brown 1973 | Bismark Kind Regards | 1967 1966 | 13-c 3-e | Mary Mead Bay 1964 | Wilkes Easter Rock | 1952 1957 | 13-c 16> | Sunrise Ruby Bay 2014 | Jimmy Choux Bay 2007 | Thorn Park Chestnut 1999 | Spinning World Chestnut 1993 | Nureyev Imperfect Circle | 1977 1988 | 5-h 8-f | Joy Bay 1993 | Bluebird Christmas Spirit | 1984 1986 | 9-b 16-c | Cierzo Bay 1999 | Centaine Brown 1980 | Century Rainbeam | 1969 1973 | 20> C7 | Gale Bay 1993 | Wild Rampage Imposing Choice | 1983 1987 | 10-d 16-g | A Touch of Ruby Bay 2009 | Pins Bay 1996 | Snippets Bay 1984 | Lunchtime Easy Date | 1970 1977 | 7-f 20-a | No Finer Chestnut 1979 | Kaoru Star Humour | 1965 1962 | 31> 16-g | Syrah Bay 2003 | Traditionally Chestnut 1997 | Mr Prospector Personal Ensign | 1970 1984 | 13-c 6-a | Real Success Bay 1990 | Success Express Pas de Course | 1985 1984 | 17-b 9-h |
| Ancestor duplications: | Natalma | 5m,5f x | | Nureyev | 5f x 5m |
MISS LILLY (NZ) | Bay filly 2019 | |
Charm Spirit Bay 2011 | Invincible Spirit Bay 1997 | Green Desert Bay 1983 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Foreign Courier Bay 1979 | Sir Ivor Courtly Dee | 1965 1968 | 8-g A4 | Rafha Bay 1987 | Kris Chestnut 1976 | Sharpen Up Doubly Sure | 1969 1971 | 5-i 2-o | Eljazzi Bay 1981 | Artaius Border Bounty | 1974 1965 | 14-c 7-a | L'Enjoleuse Bay 2002 | Montjeu Bay 1996 | Sadler's Wells Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer Fairy Bridge | 1961 1975 | 2-d 5-h | Floripedes Bay 1985 | Top Ville Toute Cy | 1976 1979 | 8-i 1-u | Machaera Bay 1993 | Machiavellian Bay or brown 1987 | Mr Prospector Coup de Folie | 1970 1982 | 13-c 2-d | Somfas Bay or brown 1978 | What a Pleasure Ciboulette | 1965 1961 | 5-f 4-g | Sarzana Bay 2009 | High Chaparral Bay 1999 | Sadler's Wells Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Special | 1968 1969 | 19-b 5-h | Kasora Brown 1993 | Darshaan Brown 1981 | Shirley Heights Delsy | 1975 1972 | 1-l 13-c | Kozana Brown 1982 | Kris Koblenza | 1976 1966 | 2-o 1-n | Fifty Fifty Chestnut 1995 | Justice Prevails Brown 1990 | Proud Knight Chestnut 1977 | Vain Dame Pattie | 1966 1965 | A10 2-n | Innocent Lady Brown 1983 | Water Mill Ingenue | 1977 1976 | 1-m 18> | Our Rosalee Grey 1990 | Conquistarose Bay 1984 | Conquistador Cielo De la Rose | 1979 1978 | 8-h 26> | Hassle Grey 1976 | Namnan Royal Robe | 1969 1972 | 13-b 2-c |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 5m,5m x 4m | | Kris | 4f x 5f | | Sadler's Wells | 4m x 3m |
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Posted: 16 Sep 2021 at 4:42pm |
Race 1 - Darley Spring Preview (900 METRES)Times displayed in local time of Race Meeting |
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Of $50,000.1st $27,500, 2nd $9,000, 3rd $4,500, 4th $2,500, 5th $1,500, 6th $1,000, 7th $1,000, 8th $1,000, 9th $1,000, 10th $1,000 Prize money contribution totalling 3% will be directed to jockey and equine welfare prior to distribution Set Weights, Two-Years-Old, Apprentices cannot claim. This race carries a SUPER VOBIS Nominators Bonus of $4,500 and a SUPER VOBIS Owners Bonus of $10,500 for qualified horses.
Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 4
Field Limit: 14 + 6 EM |
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Posted: 16 Sep 2021 at 4:57pm |
Not too many Derby types among that lot.
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Posted: 16 Sep 2021 at 5:04pm |
No there isn't. Nominator probably has the stoutest pedigree.
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Posted: 16 Sep 2021 at 5:18pm |
Or maybe Idris.
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Posted: 17 Sep 2021 at 10:05am |
I've followed Excel and Fly from the sales so hope he runs well. Also have Crowning Moment, Mogulist and Runaway belle's dams as yearling picks so hope they run well also.
I'm kind of looking to the sebring mares to jump out of the ground as broodmare sires so would love to see Crowning Moment run well. Her female line is one I've kept an eye on for a while. A different branch of the Lady Chester female line.
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Posted: 23 Sep 2021 at 3:56pm |
Tivaci (AUS) Bay 2012 | High Chaparral Bay 1999 | Sadler's Wells Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Special | 1968 1969 | 19-b 5-h | Kasora Brown 1993 | Darshaan Brown 1981 | Shirley Heights Delsy | 1975 1972 | 1-l 13-c | Kozana Brown 1982 | Kris Koblenza | 1976 1966 | 2-o 1-n | Breccia Bay 2006 | Fastnet Rock Bay 2001 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Razyana | 1977 1981 | 7-a 2-d | Piccadilly Circus Bay 1995 | Royal Academy Gatana | 1987 1989 | 8-c 2-f | Luna Tudor Bay 1994 | Military Plume Bay 1983 | Sir Tristram Ultraviolet | 1971 1972 | 6-e 10-d | Moon Storm Grey 1982 | Jungle Boy Clouded | 1968 1977 | 14-c C7 | Save the Stars (NZ) Bay 2013 | Savabeel Brown 2001 | Zabeel Bay 1986 | Sir Tristram Bay 1971 | Sir Ivor Isolt | 1965 1961 | 8-g 6-e | Lady Giselle Bay 1982 | Nureyev Valderna | 1977 1972 | 5-h 16-c | Savannah Success Brown 1995 | Success Express Bay 1985 | Hold Your Peace Au Printemps | 1969 1979 | 12-b 17-b | Alma Mater Brown 1988 | Semipalatinsk Sweetie | 1978 1981 | 23-b 1-o | Eudora Bay 2009 | Pins Bay 1996 | Snippets Bay 1984 | Lunchtime Easy Date | 1970 1977 | 7-f 20-a | No Finer Chestnut 1979 | Kaoru Star Humour | 1965 1962 | 31> 16-g | Hyades Bay 1998 | O'Reilly Brown 1993 | Last Tycoon Courtza | 1983 1986 | 8-c 13-b | Habania Grey 1978 | Habat Georgina Belle | 1971 1969 | 9-c 7-d |
| Ancestor duplications: | Sir Tristram | 5m x 4m |
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Posted: 23 Sep 2021 at 3:58pm |
PACIFIC DRAGON (NZ) | Bay filly 2019 | |
Charm Spirit Bay 2011 | Invincible Spirit Bay 1997 | Green Desert Bay 1983 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Foreign Courier Bay 1979 | Sir Ivor Courtly Dee | 1965 1968 | 8-g A4 | Rafha Bay 1987 | Kris Chestnut 1976 | Sharpen Up Doubly Sure | 1969 1971 | 5-i 2-o | Eljazzi Bay 1981 | Artaius Border Bounty | 1974 1965 | 14-c 7-a | L'Enjoleuse Bay 2002 | Montjeu Bay 1996 | Sadler's Wells Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer Fairy Bridge | 1961 1975 | 2-d 5-h | Floripedes Bay 1985 | Top Ville Toute Cy | 1976 1979 | 8-i 1-u | Machaera Bay 1993 | Machiavellian Bay or brown 1987 | Mr Prospector Coup de Folie | 1970 1982 | 13-c 2-d | Somfas Bay or brown 1978 | What a Pleasure Ciboulette | 1965 1961 | 5-f 4-g | Daring Brown 2011 | Encosta de Lago Bay 1993 | Fairy King Bay 1982 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Special | 1968 1969 | 19-b 5-h | Shoal Creek Chestnut 1988 | Star Way Chestnut 1977 | Star Appeal New Way | 1970 1970 | 5-d 6-e | Rolls Chestnut 1984 | Mr Prospector Grand Luxe | 1970 1974 | 13-c 4-g | Liatris Brown 2004 | Rock of Gibraltar Bay 1999 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Razyana | 1977 1981 | 7-a 2-d | Offshore Boom Chestnut 1985 | Be My Guest Push a Button | 1974 1980 | 8-c 10-a | Subterfuge Brown 1993 | Machiavellian Bay or brown 1987 | Mr Prospector Coup de Folie | 1970 1982 | 13-c 2-d | Sandy Island Bay 1981 | Mill Reef Sayonara | 1968 1965 | 22-d 16-c |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 5m,5m x 4m | | Danzig | 4m x 5m | | Fairy Bridge | 5m x 4m | | | | Mr Prospector | 5m x 5f,5m | | Machiavellian | 4f x 4f |
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SPIRIT HEART (NZ) | Bay filly 2019 | |
Vadamos Bay 2011 | Monsun Bay or brown 1990 | Konigsstuhl Brown 1976 | Dschingis Khan Brown 1961 | Tamerlane Donna Diana | 1952 1956 | 1-e 6-e | Konigskronung Brown 1965 | Tiepoletto Kronung | 1956 1957 | 2-c 5-h | Mosella Bay 1985 | Surumu Chestnut 1974 | Literat Surama | 1965 1970 | 7-b 19> | Monasia Bay 1979 | Authi Monacensia | 1970 1969 | 14-b 8-a | Celebre Vadala Bay 2003 | Peintre Celebre Chestnut 1994 | Nureyev Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Special | 1961 1969 | 2-d 5-h | Peinture Bleue Chestnut 1987 | Alydar Petroleuse | 1975 1978 | 9-c 9> | Vadlamixa Grey 1992 | Linamix Grey 1987 | Mendez Lunadix | 1981 1972 | 23-b 6-e | Vadlava Brown 1984 | Bikala Vadsa | 1978 1979 | 8-c 20-d | Musigny Chestnut 2006 | Reset Bay 2000 | Zabeel Bay 1986 | Sir Tristram Bay 1971 | Sir Ivor Isolt | 1965 1961 | 8-g 6-e | Lady Giselle Bay 1982 | Nureyev Valderna | 1977 1972 | 5-h 16-c | Assertive Lass Chestnut 1993 | Zeditave Chestnut 1985 | The Judge Summoned | 1975 1978 | 2-b 1-n | Sommes Sound Chestnut 1984 | Assert Fast Approach | 1979 1970 | 8-c 4-p | Laurel Avenue Bay 1995 | Avenue of Flags Brown 1988 | Seattle Slew Bay or brown 1974 | Bold Reasoning My Charmer | 1968 1969 | 1-k 13-c | Beautiful Glass Bay 1979 | Pass the Glass Beautiful Spirit | 1971 1973 | 22-b 1-c | Laura's Bouquet Bay 1982 | Beau's Eagle Chestnut 1976 | Golden Eagle Beaufield | 1965 1970 | 3-n 1-s | Laura's Star Bay 1977 | Key to the Kingdom At Loose Ends | 1970 1965 | 2-n 2-d |
| Ancestor duplications: | Nureyev | 4m x 5f |
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Posted: 23 Sep 2021 at 4:37pm |
How did Pacific Dragon sip in there?
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Posted: 23 Sep 2021 at 4:52pm |
If Sir Henry was happy to believe Subterfuge was at least a 2400m filly I am happy to go along with that.
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Posted: 23 Sep 2021 at 5:10pm |
Except she only won over 1400m and her superior progeny have all been sprinters.
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Posted: 23 Sep 2021 at 5:12pm |
Only because they had the misfortune of being born and trained in Australia.
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Posted: 23 Sep 2021 at 5:58pm |
This thread won't start to get exciting until Sept next year., unless you are trying to find the long range winners of the Champagne and JJ Atkins !
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Posted: 23 Sep 2021 at 6:25pm |
Not really.
Although you would hope these horses showing up early will be playing a role as trips get longer it is really just about seeing how many horses with potential stamina or middle distance or miler pedigrees we see before Christmas.
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Posted: 25 Sep 2021 at 4:55pm |
HEAD OF STATE (AUS) | Bay colt 2018 | |
American Pharoah Bay 2012 | Pioneerof the Nile Bay or brown 2006 | Empire Maker Bay or brown 2000 | Unbridled Bay 1987 | Fappiano Gana Facil | 1977 1981 | 16-a 1-r | Toussaud Bay or brown 1989 | El Gran Senor Image of Reality | 1981 1976 | 8-f 6-d | Star of Goshen Bay 1994 | Lord at War Chestnut 1980 | General Luna de Miel | 1974 1974 | 1-w 19-c | Castle Eight Bay 1984 | Key to the Kingdom Her Native | 1970 1973 | 2-n 21-a | Littleprincessemma Chestnut 2006 | Yankee Gentleman Bay 1999 | Storm Cat Bay or brown 1983 | Storm Bird Terlingua | 1978 1976 | 4-j 8-c | Key Phrase Chestnut 1991 | Flying Paster Sown | 1976 1983 | 22> 19> | Exclusive Rosette Chestnut 1993 | Ecliptical Chestnut 1982 | Exclusive Native Minnetonka | 1965 1967 | 10-a 9-c | Zetta Jet Bay 1984 | Tri Jet Queen Zetta | 1969 1976 | 20-c 14> | Derelique Bay 2007 | Danehill Dancer Bay 1993 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Mira Adonde Bay or brown 1986 | Sharpen Up Chestnut 1969 | Atan Rocchetta | 1961 1961 | 2-f 5-i | Lettre d'Amour Grey 1979 | Caro Lianga | 1967 1971 | 3-o 22-b | Hides Bay 2003 | Giant's Causeway Chestnut 1997 | Storm Cat Bay or brown 1983 | Storm Bird Terlingua | 1978 1976 | 4-j 8-c | Mariah's Storm Bay 1991 | Rahy Immense | 1985 1979 | 12-c 11> | Subterfuge Brown 1993 | Machiavellian Bay or brown 1987 | Mr Prospector Coup de Folie | 1970 1982 | 13-c 2-d | Sandy Island Bay 1981 | Mill Reef Sayonara | 1968 1965 | 22-d 16-c |
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Posted: 25 Sep 2021 at 5:21pm |
It's a three year old not a 2yo
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Posted: 25 Sep 2021 at 5:33pm |
He helps my point furious.
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Posted: 25 Sep 2021 at 5:37pm |
Oh because he ran before Christmas in his 2yo year. It still doesn't help that overseas he wouldn't of run in 1100, 1200 and 1300 as a 2yo he would of started at 1400 and built to 2000.
So they are still behind the eightball.
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Posted: 25 Sep 2021 at 5:38pm |
And I know the second horse didn't run early but he's got enormous promise. Beautiful also.
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Posted: 25 Sep 2021 at 5:39pm |
Djebel's point being that Subterfuge is (allegedly) a staying influence in a pedigree.
I rather suspect American Pharoah might give the 3yo some strength.
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Posted: 25 Sep 2021 at 6:04pm |
Hello, good to see the Germandbred "Schwarzgold Family" has some success abroad and their counterparts in my homecountry are still going strong.
As I see "Sandy Island" is a 3/4 relative of "Slip Anchor" (won English Derby in 1985).
regards, Ticino
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Posted: 25 Sep 2021 at 6:07pm |
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Posted: 25 Sep 2021 at 6:07pm |
Hello, it's me again.
I forgot to mention, Sandy Island (foaled 1981) won "Pretty Polly Stakes" (Newmarket) and "Lancaster Oaks" (Haydock).
regards, Ticino
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Posted: 27 Sep 2021 at 10:07pm |
Street Cry (IRE) Bay or brown 1998 | Machiavellian Bay or brown 1987 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Chestnut 1961 | Native Dancer Raise You | 1950 1946 | 5-f 8-f | Gold Digger Bay 1962 | Nashua Sequence | 1952 1946 | 3-m 13-c | Coup de Folie Bay 1982 | Halo Bay or brown 1969 | Hail to Reason Cosmah | 1958 1953 | 4-n 2-d | Raise the Standard Bay 1978 | Hoist the Flag Natalma | 1968 1957 | 5-i 2-d | Helen Street Bay 1982 | Troy Bay 1976 | Petingo Bay 1965 | Petition Alcazar | 1944 1957 | 16-g 22> | La Milo Chestnut 1963 | Hornbeam Pin Prick | 1953 1955 | 1-p 1-b | Waterway Chestnut 1976 | Riverman Bay 1969 | Never Bend River Lady | 1960 1963 | 19-b 10-a | Boulevard Chestnut 1968 | Pall Mall Costa Sola | 1955 1963 | 7-d 1-l | Quick Thinking (NZ) Bay 2007 | Starcraft Chestnut 2000 | Soviet Star Bay 1984 | Nureyev Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Special | 1961 1969 | 2-d 5-h | Veruschka Bay 1967 | Venture Marie d'Anjou | 1957 1954 | 7> 9-f | Flying Floozie Chestnut 1993 | Pompeii Court Bay 1977 | Tell Port Damascus | 1966 1971 | 2-f 1-p | Lucky Heiress Bay 1976 | Battle-Waggon Entrancing Bell | 1962 1965 | 3-o 4-d | Sursum Corda Bay 1998 | Zabeel Bay 1986 | Sir Tristram Bay 1971 | Sir Ivor Isolt | 1965 1961 | 8-g 6-e | Lady Giselle Bay 1982 | Nureyev Valderna | 1977 1972 | 5-h 16-c | L'Quiz Bay 1987 | L'Enjoleur Bay 1972 | Buckpasser Fanfreluche | 1963 1967 | 1-s 4-g | Basin Bay 1972 | Tom Rolfe Delta | 1962 1952 | 9-h 9-f |
| Ancestor duplications: | Nureyev | x 4m,5f |
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Posted: 27 Sep 2021 at 10:08pm |
Street Smart is a Matt Dunn inmate. She is nominated for the Gimcrack on Saturday.
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Posted: 27 Sep 2021 at 10:12pm |
We can argue over whether this one might stay but boy oh boy what a pedigree.
CALICO JACK (AUS) | Bay colt 2019 | |
Merchant Navy Bay 2014 | Fastnet Rock Bay 2001 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Piccadilly Circus Bay 1995 | Royal Academy Bay 1987 | Nijinsky Crimson Saint | 1967 1969 | 8-f 8-c | Gatana Bay 1989 | Marauding Twigalae | 1984 1979 | 4-i 2-f | Legally Bay Chestnut 2000 | Snippets Bay 1984 | Lunchtime Chestnut 1970 | Silly Season Great Occasion | 1962 1965 | 1-g 7-f | Easy Date Bay 1977 | Grand Chaudiere Scampering | 1968 1970 | 19-b 20-a | Decidity Bay 1993 | Last Tycoon Bay or brown 1983 | Try My Best Mill Princess | 1975 1977 | 8-f 8-c | Class Chestnut 1987 | Twig Moss Pirouette | 1973 1972 | 1-k 1-n | Shrill Bay 2013 | Shamardal Bay 2002 | Giant's Causeway Chestnut 1997 | Storm Cat Bay or brown 1983 | Storm Bird Terlingua | 1978 1976 | 4-j 8-c | Mariah's Storm Bay 1991 | Rahy Immense | 1985 1979 | 12-c 11> | Helsinki Bay 1993 | Machiavellian Bay or brown 1987 | Mr Prospector Coup de Folie | 1970 1982 | 13-c 2-d | Helen Street Bay 1982 | Troy Waterway | 1976 1976 | 1-b 1-l | Wood Vine Chestnut 1993 | Woodman Chestnut 1983 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Playmate Chestnut 1975 | Buckpasser Intriguing | 1963 1964 | 1-s 1-s | Massaraat Bay 1988 | Nureyev Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Special | 1961 1969 | 2-d 5-h | Pasadoble Bay 1979 | Prove Out Santa Quilla | 1969 1970 | 4-c 20> |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 5m x 5m | | Mr Prospector | x 5m,4m |
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