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Pardon_My_Dust
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SC, and this is the last I'll say on the matter, Incentivise went to go around her she pulled off the fence and Prebble eased taking a sit. It's clear as day there on the replay. I have no doubt whatsoever that had Persan taken a sit on the back of Incentivise he would've finished the race off better. Not knocking the horse at all, just saying as an owner I'd be questioning her tactics. Now maybe Meech didn't realise there'd be room for Incentivise on her back and by coming off the fence she would've forced him to go around and give her cover anyway. It's quite possible that was her thinking. Judging by the horse having a good blow after the race a sit would've been a much better option.
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djebel
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Did not deserve to be gelded. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Tlazolteotl
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Sportsbet already paying out on the certain Melbourne Cup win.
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djebel
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Bloody hell this horses thread was shuffled all the way back to page 3 - WTF ?
Anyway, not good news. Injury concerns. Hopefully he is fine for the Autumn.
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reductio ad absurdum
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Gay3
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Thanks djebel Incentivise injured in Melbourne CupBeaten Melbourne Cup favourite Incentivise emerged from Tuesday's race with an injury to his near foreleg. Racing Victoria stewards announced om Tuesday night that the Peter Moody stable reported it had discovered Incentivise has a small amount of swelling to his near foreleg upon cooling down. The Caulfield Cup winner has been examined by the stable vet and his condition will be assessed over the next few days. Incentivise started the $2.90 favourite before finishing second by four lengths to champion mare Verry Elleegant in Tuesday's race. |
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Lord Hybrow
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A small amount of swelling thankfully doesn’t sound too serious.
Maybe a few return bouts with VE in the Rawson Stakes, Tancred &/or QE Stks in the autumn.
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Jamal
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Hopefully he comes back a refreshed horse and not completely cooked. He has had a big campaign and a successful one at that and it took a very good horse in Verry Elleegsnt to beat him.
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Carioca
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For me , that's not a good read and I do hope I'm wrong for a number of reasons , he went far beyond his calling today ( according to his breeding page ) and was very gallant in defeat with the impost he had and was left a sitting duck , the next 48 hours will be crucial to what the " filling " and why it has arisen , he's gamer than Ned Kelly but the jock IMO is a little " trigger happy " for my liking , racing needs champs like he , spell well fella for you done your country proud.
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Second Chance
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Connections of Melbourne Cup runner-up Incentivise are sweating on the results of a second set of scans after he pulled up lame following his gallant run for second as favourite in Tuesday’s race. Managing owner Steve Tregea confirmed his home-bred superstar had suffered the injury in his fetlock area and displayed lameness shortly after the gruelling 3200m trip. “He has inflammation in the near-side fetlock,” Tregea said. “They scanned it and didn’t see a lot but there was inflammation and fluid there and he was lame so we will see what the second scan shows. “It is not a CT scan, just a normal scan they use on pregnant mares to see under the skin. It is in the fetlock so they don’t really know what it is, they have iced it and wrapped it up but he was lame on it shortly after the race. “When you are racing horses, these things are always on the cards. It is disappointing but you just have to cop these things.” Incentivise was set for an extended spell as it was after a busy winter and spring but his Melbourne Cup setback now has his racing future unclear while they wait for veterinary analysis. Incentivise has never shown signs of soreness like this after a race and it is the first time he has pulled up lame in his short but incredible career. “He ducked out on the corner so I would say something has gone wrong there,” Tregea said. “(Trainer) Peter (Moody) said he wasn’t lame immediately but soon after he was favouring that leg and had inflammation around it.” |
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acacia alba
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Just hope its not serious and a rest will fix him. If as speculated he did it on the turn, he fought on very bravely.
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animals before people.
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WarriSymbol
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As he doesn't have a sharp turn of foot, that is the way to ride him. Surge early and hold them off. It has worked and would still work against most horses in the world.
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Pardon_My_Dust
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Amazing that he held off the second and third horses after doing all that work and then injuring himself around the home turn.
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Carioca
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Warrisymbol you have been watching a different horse to me , that's all I can say .
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Carioca
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The mile race at Flemington he ran the last 600 under 34 sec. and being attacked from all sides against WFA company , the way they ride him you'll never see a " Bernborough finish " , that's for the backmarkers , when he cut loose in the CC win he left em for dead , he had a special kind of sprint mate , at 2 mile with his weight and in front at the 1\2 mile he was gassed at the furlong , a sitting duck for a champion mare to pluck ! and she did , imo we may not see this horse for 12 months ..... maybe never unless xrays say otherwise. cheers.
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Baguette
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Carioca I was really confident about Verry Elleegant on Tuesday and less confident about this boy because it felt like the Cup was an after thought . He’d come from nowhere and his preparation was like “ well try him in this and see what happens” instead of a planned prep leading up to peaking on Tuesday. He actually went better than I thought he would and it’s a shame if it’s stuffed him.
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Carioca
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I believe it may have been an after thought too Baguette , there's no doubt being swept up in the win of the Caulfield Cup and the big one just around the corner the " let's have a throw at the stumps " IF the run hasn't hurt him came into play , I keep saying it but really he was crucified by carpenter but that's my honest opinion , compressed weights now have turned handicapping on its head in a way , if I wasn't so mesmerised by the two youngsters in the Cox Plate I may have spotted VE a lot sooner , her best work was late and it proved to be true , Incentivise was beaten by a champion , by no means disgraced , cheers Baguette.
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Sir Gov
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'he was crucified by carpenter but that's my honest opinion'
I think connections absolutely effed it up if they wanted to win the Melb Cup. He could have been pitched into that race much lighter if they chose a different path. They got the wins along the way but left it dry for the big one
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Second Chance
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Who foregoes $3m to hopefully win $4.4m?
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Gay3
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We all recognise how well hindsight works but when it's all boiled down, we're talking about a horse in its' 1st serious race preparation - he had one start in the initial prep.
No matter how 'big & strong' they appear to be, it's asking a hellova a lot to expect 12 high class efforts in one campaign (March - Nov.) which I'm sure his close connections are now aware of. If he never races again it'll still have been worthwhile to have won what he did, similar to a Golden Slipper winner, you can sacrifice longevity for initial huge prizemoney & much more in the case of a GS victor. |
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Carioca
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Point taken Sir Gov there was a 1700 metre race the same day as the mile WFA , they run in that and win ...no penalty , granted , media were spruiking a rule change about penalty for the mile but that rule was changed again to make it a penalty race ( Ma. Diva) , so they left themselves open , hypothetical , if he won the Caulfield Cup in a more devastating fashion what penalty would he have got for the MC ? 3-5KG...4KG..or 4-5 KG , like Even Stevens ?
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Gay3
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Moody repeatedly stated to all who'd listen that the CC was his grand final & target race, not forgetting he also said the CC run was the 1st he'd 'felt' & why he'd definitely not be backing up in the Cox Plate.
The signs were there & needed heeding but.....................we're all human & they are but horses. By contrast, VE has now had 9 runs this year & only 5 this prep. (ref. to above post) |
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Carioca
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Read your post Gay3 , I should have headed my post to Sir Gov to whom I was addressing . Easily fixed & the few typos at the same time Edited by Gay3 - 03 Nov 2021 at 5:51pm |
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Jamal
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Had he not won the Makybe Diva Stakes at G1 WFA level then his I itial Cups weight isn't 55.5kg.
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Sister Dot
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Might be a sesamoid? What a shame, I read one of the tipsters reviewing the race commented he thought the horse was a year off being able to handle such a taxing race. He may have been spot on
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Carioca
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I had been dreading this outcome , sesamoid or suspensory , hope it's only talk Sister Dot .
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Carioca
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Thanks mate , I need glasses with some fountain of youth juice .
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djebel
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Could it be Incentivise is suffering similar injuries to what Black Caviar was prior to her Royal assault ?
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reductio ad absurdum
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Carioca
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Black Caviar may have been muscular , Incentivise's problem is in an area of much more concern imo.
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Carioca
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Just watched a very heart warming scenario of Incentivise having a swim at Moody's setup on twitter , the runs pulled it out of him but to see no leg bandages on was a good sign the filling may have subsided and " jarring up " could be the culprit , somebody with far greater tech. nous maybe able to bring it up on Moody's twitter page .
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Magnolian Khan
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Just been announced on Racing.com that he has come through the race okay, no soundness issues. Off to the paddock a sound, happy, healthy horse.
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