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I still think we have a pretty smart horse at Werribee ready to pounce on Melbourne Cup day.
We know he loves Flemington. he's been and proven himself before.
In better form than he was last time too


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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

I can see a reason VE can't win - 57kg - she's just not that good. How many mares have won with 57kg or more? VE is no MD.Wink

What did she carry last year? Not going as well though.
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Verry Elleegant carried 55.5kg in the 2020 Melbourne Cup and 7th
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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18 horses were not paid up for 4th acceptsnces
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Final 35

Race 8 - Lexus Melbourne Cup (3200 METRES)
Of $7,750,000.1st $4,400,000, 2nd $1,100,000, 3rd $550,000, 4th $350,000, 5th $230,000, 6th $160,000, 7th $160,000, 8th $160,000, 9th $160,000, 10th $160,000, 11th $160,000, 12th $160,000
Prize money contribution totalling 3% will be directed to jockey and equine welfare prior to distribution GROUP 1
Handicap, Minimum Weight 49kg, Three-Years-Old and Upwards, Apprentices cannot claim.

Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf 

Field Limit: 24

 Last 10HorseSexAgeTrainerBallotWeightPenaltyHcp Rating
1111111x111INCENTIVISEG5Peter G Moody157kg1.5kg4
2x221211251GRAND PROMENADE (GB)G6Ciaron Maher & David Eustace252kg1.0kg7.5
3x3112x2143VERRY ELLEEGANT (NZ)M6Chris Waller357kg1
41131x33912TWILIGHT PAYMENT (IRE)G9Joseph O'Brien458kg1.5
517x2513x2xSPANISH MISSION (USA)H6Andrew Balding557kg2.5
6132113x950EXPLOSIVE JACK (NZ)H4Ciaron Maher & David Eustace654kg4
729431x0090JOHNNY GET ANGRY (NZ)G4Denis Pagan753kg5
8x3253x527xAWAY HE GOES (IRE)G6Ismail Mohammed854.5kg5
9x2606x3420THE CHOSEN ONE (NZ)H6Murray Baker & Andrew Forsman954kg5.5
1086541x0840SELINO (GB)G6Chris Waller1053.5kg6
1178333x0095MIAMI BOUND (NZ)M5Danny O'Brien1152kg6
122324x37197SHE’S IDEELM6Bjorn Baker1252kg6
131x610x5059OCEAN BILLY (NZ)G6Chris Waller1353.5kg6
14111x6x4210DELPHI (IRE)H5Anthony & Sam Freedman1453.5kg1.0kg6
155x1244x373PERSANG5Ciaron Maher & David Eustace1553kg6.5
163x8511x909KNIGHTS ORDER (IRE)G7Gai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott1653kg6.5
1712114x3321TRALEE ROSE (NZ)M5Symon Wilde1751kg7
1807422x4747CARIFG6Peter & Paul Snowden1852.5kg7
19x22x722x54PONDUS (GB)G6Robert Hickmott1952.5kg7
20x663x00030MASTER OF WINE (GER)G7Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes2052.5kg7
21x1510x0600PORT GUILLAUME (FR)G5Ben & JD Hayes2152kg7.5
223x6133x086FUTURE SCORE (IRE)G7Matt Cumani2251.5kg8
234100x66730FUN FACTG6Bjorn Baker2351.5kg8
24x41x81x248SIR LUCAN (IRE)H4Gai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott2450kg8.5
2551716x8078MOSH MUSICM7Archie Alexander2550kg8.5
264x13275155GREAT HOUSE (IRE)G5Chris Waller2650kg9.5
27x55x011132FLOATING ARTIST (GB)G6Ciaron Maher & David Eustace2750kg9.5
28x547x77133HASTA LA WARG6Sue Murphy2850kg9.5
29121x41x804AMADE (IRE)G8Phillip Stokes2952.5kg7
300x0558x968CONSTANTINOPLE (IRE)G6Aaron Purcell30=50kg9.5
311x2031x275EMISSARY (GB)G5Michael Moroney30=50kg9.5
32x111733x74KING’S CHARISMA (IRE)G5Ciaron Maher & David Eustace30=50kg9.5
3331222x2322MANKAYAN (IRE)G6Ciaron Maher & David Eustace30=50kg9.5
343x11222117TOORADING5Ciaron Maher & David Eustace30=50kg9.5
35388x31161FORGOT YOU (NZ)C3Trent Busuttin & Natalie Young30=49kg9.5
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Anyone know much about Sir Lucan?

Also I think the Dark Lord Dennis said Johnny will run in something easier.
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Hotham nominations

Race 7 - Lexus Hotham Stakes (2500 METRES)Times displayed in local time of Race Meeting
Of $300,000.1st $180,000, 2nd $54,000, 3rd $27,000, 4th $13,500, 5th $7,500, 6th $6,000, 7th $6,000, 8th $6,000
Prize money contribution totalling 3% will be directed to jockey and equine welfare prior to distribution GROUP 3
Quality, Maidens at time of entry are ineligible, Apprentices cannot claim.

Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf  Track Condition: Good 4 

Field Limit: 16 + 4 EM

 Last 10HorseSexAgeTrainerHcp Rating
1121x41x804AMADE (IRE)G8Phillip Stokes102
221345x2446BARADE (FR)G7Archie Alexander89
322x32x0570CHARMS STAR (NZ)M4Chris Waller88
40x0558x968CONSTANTINOPLE (IRE)G6Aaron Purcell87
51123x8x4x1DURSTON (GB)G6Ciaron Maher & David Eustace88
61x2031x275EMISSARY (GB)G5Michael Moroney80
7x55x011132FLOATING ARTIST (GB)G6Ciaron Maher & David Eustace101
84100x66730FUN FACTG6Bjorn Baker99
94x13275155GREAT HOUSE (IRE)G5Chris Waller100
1029431x0090JOHNNY GET ANGRY (NZ)G4Denis Pagan100
11x111733x74KING’S CHARISMA (IRE)G5Ciaron Maher & David Eustace76
123x8511x909KNIGHTS ORDER (IRE)G7Gai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott102
13x57170x505LE DON DE VIE (GB)G6Anthony & Sam Freedman101
1431222x2322MANKAYAN (IRE)G6Ciaron Maher & David Eustace79
1508x8268456MIRAGE DANCER (GB)H8Trent Busuttin & Natalie Young103
1651716x8078MOSH MUSICM7Archie Alexander99
1753x4x11x0xNICKAJACK CAVE (IRE)G6Peter G Moody101
181423x18x07SOUS LES NUAGES (IRE)G5Matt Cumani77
19x09x521114TARAMANSOUR (IRE)H5Matt Cumani78
209432x00711TEAM CAPTAIN (IRE)G6Matt Cumani82
2179288611x0TOKEN SPIRITG4Robbie Griffiths & Mathew de Kock71
22116x510x42WENTWOOD (GB)G7Maddie Raymond94
231441215x16YONKERS (USA)G6Chris Waller103
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Only thing I can tell you about Sir Lucan is that he’s a full brother to Sir Dragonet
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Will do a quick "Jamal".  Or is it a "djebel"?  Tongue

Here we go: "I see just 5 of the 23 nominations were bred in the Southern Hemisphere.  This is an absolute ...etc. etc."
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Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Only thing I can tell you about Sir Lucan is that he’s a full brother to Sir Dragonet

Wow! I think I might just back it now before the flood of Gai money comes for it.
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Too late. Already $19 seems very short.
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Was very much found out in the St Leger at his last start, running 8th beaten 14 lengths.  Now $17 on the TAB.
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I'm hoping it will be one of those UK horses that grows another leg in Melbourne, especially with Gai and her magic. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Will do a quick "Jamal".  Or is it a "djebel"?  Tongue

Here we go: "I see just 5 of the 23 nominations were bred in the Southern Hemisphere.  This is an absolute ...etc. etc."

It goes to show being bred in the Northern Hemisphere is no help if you are trained in the Southern Hemisphere. 
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And right on cue djebel: wouldn't expect anything else.  LOL

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RACING VIC press release

Update on imaging of Melbourne Cup acceptors

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Racing Victoria (RV) advises that the standing CT scanner at the U-Vet Equine Centre (U-Vet) has incurred a mechanical issue and is temporarily out of operation.

As a result, mandatory scanning of Melbourne Cup entrants has been unable to proceed as scheduled yesterday and today.

RV has been working with U-Vet and the manufacturers to source a replacement part which is in transit from the USA, noting that current COVID impacts on international travel will influence its delivery time.

The current expectations are that the scanner will not be operational until at least this Thursday, 28 October, being the final day on which standing CT scans may be undertaken for the Melbourne Cup.

A total of 19 of the 35 fourth acceptors for the Melbourne Cup have been presented for a standing CT scan since 16 October 2021 in accordance with the veterinary requirements for the race.

The RV Board met this afternoon to consider the situation and has determined the following for the 2021 Melbourne Cup in light of the issue:

  • All acceptors yet to undergo a standing CT scan since 16 October 2021, are required to present to U-Vet for comprehensive high-quality X-rays of their distal limbs on Tuesday, 26 October or Wednesday, 27 October;

  • The X-ray results from U-Vet will be reviewed by the three international imaging specialists, as have the standing CT scans taken to date;

  • Should the X-rays taken at U-Vet identify any area of concern, then the horse may be required to undertake an MRI or standing CT scan (subject to availability) on or before Thursday, 28 October;

  • Should the standing CT scanner be operational on Thursday, 28 October then any horse that has not presented for a CT scan (at U-Vet or Randwick Equine Centre) or for X-rays at U-Vet before that date; or been flagged for further examination, will be required to undergo a CT scan on that day;

  • Should the standing CT scanner not be operational on Thursday, 28 October, then any horse still to be presented for diagnostic imaging will be required to do so at U-Vet on that day for comprehensive high-quality X-rays of their distal limbs.

In reaching this decision, the RV Board was informed that the process for collection of X-rays at U-Vet would be very similar to that for a standing CT scan, thus having no greater impact on the preparation of a horse who is not required to miss any work.

RV Executive General Manager – Integrity Services, Jamie Stier, said: “Since its installation two years ago, U-Vet advise that the standing CT scanner has examined over 200 horses, and this is the first time it’s had a mechanical issue so the timing is both unfortunate and disappointing.

“We are taking a pragmatic approach to the situation. All Melbourne Cup acceptors will still be subjected to increased and unprecedented veterinary scrutiny using alternative diagnostic imaging at U-Vet before being cleared to start in next Tuesday’s race.

“Whilst our preference remains to use the technology offered by the standing CT scanner, in its temporary absence we know that the X-rays taken at U-Vet will provide us with improved oversight of the remaining horses, particularly in comparison to previous years, and help to identify any areas that require further examination.

“This was deemed the fairest and most appropriate decision in the circumstances so as not to penalise the connections of those horses who had not been submitted for a standing CT scan since 16 October by excluding them from the race.

“It is noted that all horses will still be required to undergo two veterinary examinations by RV prior to the Melbourne Cup, including an additional examination on the Monday prior to the race, and that the four international runners have all undergone advanced diagnostic imaging since their last start.

“Importantly for all connections, all horses will be on a level playing field having all submitted to U-Vet or the Randwick Equine Centre for diagnostic imaging. Equally, those horses submitting for X-rays will not be required to miss any work in the lead-up to the Cup, as those who have been CT scanned have not.”

RV and U-Vet are communicating directly with the connections of the affected horses and will provide an update on the resumption of the standing CT scanner over the coming days.

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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

And right on cue djebel: wouldn't expect anything else.  LOL

ps where's our WA mate?

Did you not ask ? 
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Thanks VSP.

Has this issue been resolved or do we have a situation whereby some starters will have been scanned and others not?  Or have I just misread the situation?

Racing Victoria (RV) advises that the standing CT scanner at the U-Vet Equine Centre (U-Vet) has incurred a mechanical issue and is temporarily out of operation.

As a result, mandatory scanning of Melbourne Cup entrants has been unable to proceed as scheduled yesterday and today.

RV has been working with U-Vet and the manufacturers to source a replacement part which is in transit from the USA, noting that current COVID impacts on international travel will influence its delivery time.

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If the machine is not fixed than those not so far scanned will be X Rayed.

It is not a massive issue. 

That is my understanding. 
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Part to repair the machine been ordered from the US. Hope to have it here by Thursday 
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That doesn't make a lot of sense imo djebel, because there's a huge difference between a CT scan and an X-ray.  

And thus some may start under a less testing regime, which is the last thing the VRC or Racing Victoria needs should one of the lesser tested runners perform poorly, pull up lame, or are euthanized half way up the straight.
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It's unfortunate but I do not think we can condemn anybody, Nor am I sure what an alternative is ?
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I was wondering wht they didn't use the BVP MRI so consulted google to find it's different from a CT scanner - especially in price per consult Wink

Both types of scan have similar uses, but they produce images in different ways. A CT scan uses X-rays, whereas an MRI scan uses strong magnetic fields and radio waves. CT scans are more common and less expensive, but MRI scans produce more detailed images.
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Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Part to repair the machine been ordered from the US. Hope to have it here by Thursday 

How long has this machine been crucial to the Melbourne Cup entrants? 6-7 months? And they don't have parts for it in country Embarrassed
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Been operational for 2 years, this is the first time it’s broken down. 

In other news,

The Melbourne Cup dream lives on for Denis Pagan, as his 2020 Victoria Derby winner Johnny Get Angry will take his place in next Tuesday’s Melbourne Cup.

Pagan enlisted the services of champion jockey Damien Oliver to ride the four-year-old in his work this morning, and the recommendation from the three-time Melbourne Cup winner was for him to head straight to the race that stops the nation next week.

The dual AFL premiership winning coach had nominated Johnny Get Angry for Saturday’s Hotham Handicap.

While Oliver was in the saddle at trackwork this morning, Pagan confirmed that Lachie King will continue his association with the horse in the Cup.

Johnny Get Angry is a $151 chance in the Melbourne Cup with Sportsbet.

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Did Johnny Get Angry pass Olivers soundness check ? 
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Dr Oliver ticked him off
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