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Champion Joined: 21 Jan 2023 Location: Sydney Status: Offline Points: 4550 |
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Great leaderboard @ the LIV event after the first round.
All the big names off the pace and will be on the hunt tomorrow 🏌🏿♂️
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Carioca
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Anyone seen footballer Harry Kane's golf trick ? it's truly unreal .
might be on YouTube , dunno .
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Great win to Joaquin in the playoff and in the dark. The light from the jumbtron tv green side provided great lighting 😆
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Aussie Open champ Joaquin Niemann shoots 12 under 59 @ LIV Mayakoba.
Great golf
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jujuno
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Loved watching Arnie. Always entertaining.
However good Nicklaus was, he could actually be boring to watch. Same as Faldo/ Fargo... Thank you, Byron Nelson. It's all subjective. But just going on stats does not tell the real truth. |
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Desert War, Rain Lover, Latin Knight, Hay List, Mustard...my turf heroes...
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Afros
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Just bringing in players who won majors within each of the top 2 guys eras, Arnold Palmer was at the tail of his when Jack started as well.
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Seeing Manchester United relegated would mean more than words can describe to me.
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Not sure I’d use Brooks as a yardstick for Tigers career. They certainly over lap but I’d say that Tiger was pretty much finished by the time Brooks broke out in 2015 to win his first PGA event and 2018 for his first major.
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I see it the other way.
In Jacks era there were 1/2 dozen that racked up majors. The fields are much deeper now, imo
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Afros
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If Woods can finish 6th or better in the 2034 Masters plus add another 3 Majors in the interim I'm willing to listen. As Jack did in the 1998 Masters.
JJ makes a good point about the competition within each players era needing to be considered, during Jacks period, Jack had Gary Player (9 total Majors) Tom Watson (8) and Arnold Palmer (7) all winning and competing in majors for at least part of the 24 years seperating his first and last major title. The best doing the same for Tigers were Phil Mickelson (6) Brooks Koepka (5) and Ernie Els/Rory McIllroy (4). Worth noting that Jack also had Lee Trevino (6) and Seve Ballesteros (5) and Raymond Floyd (4) matching those numbers in his era. Jacks major winning era lasted 24 years, with a gap of 6 years from his second last to his last, Woods era lasted 22 years, with a gap of 11 years between second last and last.
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Seeing Manchester United relegated would mean more than words can describe to me.
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An interesting point on Phil, he won his first PGA tour event in 1991 and had 21 of them before his first major in 2004
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I agree with JJ
I said many moons ago that the Tiger era was the weakest. Ernie Els has been a good player & Phil a great but most of who Tiger beat we’re guys on the decline who were also behind the 8 ball in the technology change that took place Always a good discussion though with no correct answer apart from our own🤪
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jujuno
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But stats do not tell the whole story.
If you play in an era of champions, you might not win as many tournaments. When Woods came along, his main opponent was Mickelson. Although he won quite a few tournaments by big scores, if you look at the names of those who ran second, there are not many outright 'champions' among them. Good golfers, but not great ones. Whereas Palmer and Nicklaus played against some elite golfers. |
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Woods was a lot more dominant than Nicklaus on the PGA tour. Jack won 12.5% of the time, Tiger 23% of the time. Must have been over 30% before he flamed out with marital and health issues. I don't have that stat. |
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jujuno
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My favourite golf movie...though I also love 'Follow The Sun', the Ben Hogan story...
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jujuno
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They were still using metal-headed woods.
I'd like to see them hit with the same clubs Bobby Jones used. |
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Gay3
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GOLF related posts go HERE, not in TENNIS threads
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Interesting you say that. I watched a video during the week that had the players from last weeks event in Dubai using drivers that were 20 years old.
They were lucky to hit it 250 yards many as low as 215 yds. Many PGA players hit over 300yds currently Of interest was also how it made them play this particular hole. Basically they couldn’t cut the corner to clear the rough and reach the fairway. They had to lay way back These were the Woods era clubs. Bear in mind that was new technology that had moved on significantly from at Norman was using at the back end of his career |
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Woods playing with early clubs...you know, actual woods...I'd need to see that before declaring he is better than Hogan, Nicklaus, Arnie or Bobby Jones.
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jujuno
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no. I was just suggesting names... |
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I don’t believe he has but certainly in the top handful
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1+1 my earlier post "In golfing history we had Bobby Jones, Arnold Palmer & Jack Nickalus recognized in the past as all time champions, then along came Tiger Woods who surpassed them all.
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With respect to all my fellow TBV members..........how can this discussion even be taking place without the name of one gentleman with the last name of Woods not being mentioned
If he isn't the greatest golfer of all time I'll be a monkeys uncle. And for the record - I don't bring my family into it lightly !
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Refer ALP Election Promises
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You think seve is better than Jack?
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Hmmm.
Not Trevino or Arnie or Seve or Bobby Jones or the great Ben Hogan?
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On a number of levels, yes
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Baghdad Bob
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In golfing history we had Bobby Jones, Arnold Palmer & Jack Nickalus recognized in the past as all time champions, then along came Tiger Woods who surpassed them all, admittedly he played with more advanced technology with clubs and balls, now comparing past champion tennis players is not dissimilar. In Laver's time the rackets were heavier and nowhere as good as they are today, however Laver did play in an era where few or any of the eastern bloc of European nations had any players, in fact his era was nowhere as competitive as it is today. No doubt he was the champion of his era, like Margaret Smith / Court, but I would not call either the GOAT as has been suggested simply because of the number of titles they won, however I consider the top men players of the last ten years equal if not better than Laver, and Steffie Graff or Serena Williams better than Smith.
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No it was in regulation
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PL. it certainly was but it was not in the playoff holes.
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I must say that shot over the trees and hospitality tent by Neimann was spectacularly good
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