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Baghdad Bob
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Enable Me. I have lived in the same house for 36 years and have accumulated so much memorabilia and books I cannot find anything. My wife loves books and has probably bought one book every month for those 36 years. If I come across that book on the history of Mentone I pass on its title, although you most likely will get details of it from the Kingston Historical Society. I know J Mac has written a book about Les O'Briem the trackman down there. As far as that photo of BP I have it somewhere around and if I find it I will PM it to you.
It is of interest you mention Caulfield, my late father-in-law was a trainer there, but had retired by the time I meet my wife and he had some difficulty getting around the fact that I could win betting on horses as like most people he was sceptical as most punters finished up broke.
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max manewer
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It is a peculiarity of even long term winning punters, to imagine their way, was, or is, the only way. But there are more ways to skin the proverbial cat, one guy I knew, who was not an overs punter, was very successful with the TAB treble back in the 70's. He was a form punter of sorts, but what his method entailed, I am not clear on, but he would invest $3000-$4000 each Saturday on the treble, which was conducted on Brisbane Saturday races. The pools were huge, into the hundreds of thousands even in those days. He would place his bets, or arrange for others to place them, then fly to Sydney to attend the races, where he would cover contingencies by betting with the bookies there. When asked why he couldn't do the same thing in Brisbane, he said he could get better odds, and more on, in Sydney. He did this for several years, and clearly must have been successful, as his spend was in the vicinity of 6 month's pay, per day, and that just on the TAB trebles. The bookies I don't know how much, but would have varied a fair bit.
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Baghdad Bob
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I loved to bet on the QLD treble on WA races. I reasoned that punters in QLD knew little about WA form and by listening to WA previews on WA radio I got a good feel for the markets and the thinking of WA punters. If I turned on QLD radio the only mention of WA races was the scratchings and the commentator's selections which were rattled off on the radio with the host hardly pausing for a breath. As I was able to have a price service on those WA races I believed I had a huge advantage over most of the punters in QLD who bet on WA races.
BTW I can't ever recall betting on the QLD treble on the QLD TAB.I found over the years the best value was always betting away from home tote. |
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max manewer
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In those days, BB, only Qld had the treble, and it was only on the local races, the pool was massive.
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rusty nails
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Baghdad Bob
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Max you have sucked in Rusty( doubting Thomas ) with that comment I am talking about in the 1990s not the 1960s. In “those days” can mean anything from 1960 to 2010.
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max manewer
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The first day of the Treble was in 1972, on an Eagle Farm meeting, it hit the ground running with a massive return of around $99,000 ( a fortune back then) for a $1 unit, From memory there were either two or three winning tickets, the odds were 33/1, 7/2, 33/1. Substantial overs paid.
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rusty nails
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So we’ve come a long way from your MO of being a que jammer in country Vic, where you and only you could predict divvies 10 min pre post, to obtain “overs”
Now we are listening on the SW radio in two states, for tips to get some claimed advantage over punters in Qld whilst you are in Victoria.... Doing it over a treble, not a single race.... And only getting confirmed “overs” Doing no actual form....
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Baghdad Bob
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Max, I do not think I had a QLD TAB account until the 1980s, think I had one in NSW about the same time, on races like the Stradbroke I would back some of the Victorian runners in those TABs in the morning and heavily back against them on the Victorian TAB that afternoon.By doing that I got the best of odds on most of the field . Over the years all the win odds came into line with each other ( due to Sky showing home totes ) so I gave that away and concentrated on the exotics, where a lot of the dividends were random and with a bit of common sense I played those bets to my advantage .
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max manewer
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I don't know whether you saw these tables I posted BB, showing the underlays/overlays from 2000 and 2020, I was surprised that the big "unders" were so profitable back in 2000, and such a lot of them, you would have needed a bookie to bet with of course.
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Second Chance
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That's similar to when I was doing Nasho's in about 1969, and stationed in Bandiana on the Vic/NSW border. Very rudimentary tote stuff in those days.
So if you fancied a Victorian horse it generally paid to back it in Albury, and back one in Wodonga if the reverse applied. Win, lose or draw you could usually get an extra point or two.
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Baghdad Bob
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When a I first started punting I was a novice, but over the years I learnt all the tricks of the trade, how to stake exotics, knew how the average punter followed individual tipsters, does anyone remember Clif Carey and ever horse he tipped was way unders? As for trebles on the QLD TAB it was a goldmine for a while but like every other bet type it had it’s day. I was not studying form, as such, I was analysing the information the mugs were being feed.To bet against the mugs I had to know what they were being feed in all legs of the trebles. I believe in stock market terms I was a contrarian .If you do not believe me that is ok, for far as I am concerned the proof of the pudding is in the eating. |
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Baghdad Bob
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Rusty, short wave radio ? that was even before my time , have you ever heard of the internet where each state had their own TAB stations ?
4TAB, RSN, 2KY, Racing Radio WA.
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Baghdad Bob
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Gee that makes me feel old, in 1972 Rusty was four years old and was just out of nappies and there I was betting on the tote , blocking off other punters from getting on at country meetings. |
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Second Chance
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Appears we're departing from the topic yet again. But what's new?
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Baghdad Bob
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How is this thread going to catch up to the Trump Presidency thread in six months unless there is not some departing from the topic ?
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Second Chance
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C'mon Bob, why the unhappy emoticon?
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fee
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Come on Bob, it is not a competition although oneone thinks it is and promotes it like Trump promoted his shonky university courses . Whale was before my time but my impression is that he was a very modest fellow, not given to boasting about his Trump presidency thread which has now reached over 1100 with a shootoff. Bravo Whale, TBV needs more like you
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TJMitchell
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I have a feeling you would've liked brokecell, fee.
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Time is a flat circle
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rusty nails
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Ever heard of the saying... “Self praise is no praise at all”
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oneonesit
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Found this thread. Some funny punting stories / jokes an it
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Refer ALP Election Promises
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Baghdad Bob
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1+1 some good stories on the webpage, unusual that they are on a philatelic website.
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max manewer
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One of the better tips I got ever, was from a punter who was "in" with various jockeys, although I can't say his information thus obtained was any where near infallible, but on this occasion it was information that a race had been "stitched up" as a going away present for a jockey having his last race ride, so I attended the track on the Wednesday, which I rarely did back them. The odds barely moved from 7/4 throughout, I placed $600 on it, which was about a weeks wages at the time. In the run, I became concerned when it was hemmed in on the rail three back with horses all around it, however, as the turn was reached, the field fanned dramatically, except for "Old Mate" having his last ride, he sliced through along the rail to quickly put the issue beyond doubt. Who knows, it may have won if an honest contest, but it did lend credibility to the stories of the "one goer" that are heard from time to time. Maybe every time a jockey is having their last ride, a few dollars on them might be a reasonable bet.
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Baghdad Bob
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Max $600 a week in 1961 was not a bad wage
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max manewer
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It was in the mid 80's BB, and I was not punting much at that time.
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max manewer
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I also remember that bloke telling me a Melbourne Cup winning jockey "hooked" the favourite in the Cup, another year, he did seem to get reliable info, inasmuch as his "tips", from the limited exposure I had, were very frequently heavily backed, but did not win often enough for my liking. He would not bet after the money came, preferring to let them go around if he missed the price. Years later, he told me he had finished in front, but not hugely, he had better earns away from racing, so it didn't really matter. But a tip that a race is rigged, is not your usual kind of tip. Of course it is still a gamble, someone may break ranks and alter the result, the horse may race unexpectedly poorly etc, and in the case I referenced, the odds were not luxurious anyway.
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rusty nails
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I’ve been tipped into 3 “boat races” over the years.
Everyone of them backed off the map. None won. Harder in practice than in theory.....
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Baghdad Bob
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Whether there is any veracity in that story I do not know, but in the days when Caulfield / Melbourne Cup doubles bookies stood to pay out hundreds of thousands on horses, it could have been possible for a jockey to hook a horse if the sling from the bookie was worth more than the jockey's winning percentage for riding the winner, especially if that jockey had already won the Cup and had written his name into racing folklore.
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oneonesit
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rusty nails
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Hahaha Says it all. ....1,1 the stamp collector. No wonder my quip about him clearing rooms struck a nerve with him.
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