Gladys

No where near the point .   MJ .   When we debate anything , in this case it is a Medical issue .     We have to be free of emotion and judge on the unavoidable numbers of victims .   nothing you or I say or do, changes that .
   We may debate that the covid 19 strain will kill so many while active . But we can't dismiss that the efforts to reduce the infection we may in fact kill three times as many with our efforts.
There is a very destructive price to pay on the mental health of the community ,   These vaccines risks are not known , The Financial weight on the economy will take years to recover .
Having seen many infectious periods in my time, some , like tuberculosis wre so much worse than this , and we didn't over react , we survived as we would this one , without the Hysteria.

maccamax wrote: No where near the point .   MJ .   When we debate anything , in this case it is a Medical issue .     We have to be free of emotion and judge on the unavoidable numbers of victims .   nothing you or I say or do, changes that .    We may debate that the covid 19 strain will kill so many while active . But we can't dismiss that the efforts to reduce the infection we may in fact kill three times as many with our efforts. There is a very destructive price to pay on the mental health of the community ,   These vaccines risks are not known , The Financial weight on the economy will take years to recover . Having seen many infectious periods in my time, some , like tuberculosis wre so much worse than this , and we didn't over react , we survived as we would this one , without the Hysteria.

maccamax wrote: No where near the point .   MJ .   When we debate anything , in this case it is a Medical issue .     We have to be free of emotion and judge on the unavoidable numbers of victims .   nothing you or I say or do, changes that .    We may debate that the covid 19 strain will kill so many while active . But we can't dismiss that the efforts to reduce the infection we may in fact kill three times as many with our efforts. There is a very destructive price to pay on the mental health of the community ,   These vaccines risks are not known , The Financial weight on the economy will take years to recover . Having seen many infectious periods in my time, some , like tuberculosis wre so much worse than this , and we didn't over react , we survived as we would this one , without the Hysteria.

stayer wrote: As far as I understand Macca's shorthand and deliberately provocative posts, his argument is that "nature provides", that medicine/science is flawed at the best of times, that he has seen lots of stuff through work/ experience, that deaths from Covid are rare, especially when you put co-morbities into the mix, and that an over-reaction to a passing virus can cause economic and psychological problems. Not that controversial or unreasonable.

I'm sorry re my lack of education , Not easy to put pen to paper with description, outside areas of training.
2 babies losing their lives to unforgivable Nurse neglect recently , adds to the lack of confidence I display for the Medical Profession .
I feel the accepted ( google ) percentage of 10% , of all of Australia deaths are due to Medical error or neglect . ( I have no doubt that is correct )
I feel it is a good argument against this Fear and Hysteria about a nasty Virus , that is just another of the invaders we have been dealing with for hundreds of years.

3.61 deaths per 100,000 people for covid here so John Hopkins tells me

TJMitchell wrote: maccamax wrote: Jujuno .C/P (A total of 1.4 million people died from TB in 2019 (including 208 000 people with HIV). Worldwide, TB is one of the top 10 causes of death and the leading cause from a single infectious agent (above HIV/AIDS). In 2019, an estimated 10 million people fell ill with tuberculosis(TB) worldwide. 5.6 million men, 3.2 million women and 1.2 million children. TB is present in all countries and age groups. )    It was still a horror during the 1950"s when some in detention at places like Waterfall were finally released .   Continues to be one of the great infectious killers. A disease 100 time worse than covid could ever be . What's that thing you always say? Going offshore for numbers or something along those lines  In 2019, tuberculosis death rate for Australia was 0.2 per 100,000 people. I believe it was the leading cause of death here 130 years ago or so though.

I'm not talking 2019 but it is still a big killer worldwide and has found a way to kill 40 % of hiv infected people these days .
   

maccamax wrote: Jujuno .C/P (A total of 1.4 million people died from TB in 2019 (including 208 000 people with HIV). Worldwide, TB is one of the top 10 causes of death and the leading cause from a single infectious agent (above HIV/AIDS). In 2019, an estimated 10 million people fell ill with tuberculosis(TB) worldwide. 5.6 million men, 3.2 million women and 1.2 million children. TB is present in all countries and age groups. )    It was still a horror during the 1950"s when some in detention at places like Waterfall were finally released .   Continues to be one of the great infectious killers. A disease 100 time worse than covid could ever be .

 but not in Australia...as you keep pointing out...

 but it still can't be compared to covid, in Australia.

Both very wrong as TB has been on the increase world wide due it it having found it's way into the weakened millions of Hiv related people . Is killing off 40% 0f that group now.
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HIV promotes the progression of latent tuberculosis infection (LTBI) to disease, and tuberculosis (TB) accelerates the progression of HIV disease. Delayed diagnosis and improper management of people with TB and HIV co-infection may lead to spread of TB within the community, contribute to the development of drug resistant TB, and lead to poorer health outcomes for those living with HIV/AIDS.?

Meanwhie in covid times ... 10 losses in 9 months .

    Does that not say = " Over Reaction ".

and there is no economy destruction and their populations will be naturally immune in quick time .    If History repeats itself .

maccamax wrote: and there is no economy destruction and their populations will be naturally immune in quick time .    If History repeats itself .

Mauritius
Tanzania
New Zealand
Iceland
Singapore

Singapore has had several lockdowns and al lost constant restrictions re: social gatherings etc. Only someone either not following reality at all or just plucking countries out of a hat could possibly suggest they have followed the “you know who” model of pandemic management.