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Kimberley Mine
Champion Joined: 01 Oct 2013 Status: Offline Points: 1517 |
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Woodside did 30% cuts for every stallion on their roster, now Cable Bay is at $9,900. Arrowfield followed suit.
All the more to make Magna Grecia priced high for *the current environment.* In a non-COVID world he'd probably be fine.
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Red Hare
Champion Joined: 11 Jan 2015 Location: Victoria Status: Offline Points: 4233 |
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Cable Bay was less than half the racehorse Magna Grecia was, so it’s a fair price on that scale.
No argument from me with regards to timing. They’ve got their work cut out for them. |
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oldflight
Champion Joined: 03 Jan 2010 Location: NSW Status: Offline Points: 625 |
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Hard to say Arrowfield follower suit with 33% across the board Written Tycoon not theirs to set meeting market after relocation Yes both Snitzel and Pariah down 33.33% The Autumn Son down 14.3% but Dundeel, Shalaa and Showtime all no change |
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Second Chance
Champion Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Status: Offline Points: 45820 |
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Exceedance at $38,500? Not for me thanks.
What do others think? Typo Edited by Gay3 - 11 May 2020 at 1:09pm |
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Brudder_A
Champion Joined: 01 Apr 2013 Location: Uzhhorod Status: Offline Points: 4269 |
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Multiple G1 winners Omaha Beach and Vino Rosso will shuttle to Australia, Spendthrift Farms announced May 13 along with its Southern Hemisphere roster and fees for 2020. Omaha Beach will stand his debut season for $22,000, while Vino Rosso
will stand for $13,750. Both fees include the Australian goods and
services tax.
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Glencoe
Champion Joined: 19 Jun 2011 Location: Mt. Gambier S.A Status: Offline Points: 1942 |
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Omaha Beach is a stunning individual
It is a very interesting & enlightening read when you google his name on USA sites. One poster even used a well known Latin phrase that is often used in consumer law.
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Carioca
Champion Joined: 13 Nov 2015 Status: Offline Points: 21836 |
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Caveat Emptor?
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robbo
Champion Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1573 |
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Does anyone know whether D'Argento and/or Levendi are going to find homes for the upcoming season and, if so, where?
Also, any thoughts on Unite And Conquer ($6,600 at Kingstar)? Cheers, Robbo |
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Second Chance
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Unite and Conquer?
I'd be living in a top floor penthouse overlooking Sydney Harbour had I a dollar for every one of Gai's that went wrong as a 2yo. So certainly wouldn't sack him on a soundness basis, and quite like the female familywhich has little trouble providing high winners to foals ratios. Robbo I'd suggest he's a very realistic chance as a breed to race type stallion in the first instance.
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PhillipC
Champion Joined: 03 Jan 2014 Location: Warragul Status: Offline Points: 685 |
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Bondeiger was sold recently as a stallion. Wondering where he may be standing?
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http://www.equinehaven.com.au
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Red Hare
Champion Joined: 11 Jan 2015 Location: Victoria Status: Offline Points: 4233 |
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Would be some achievement for him.
Was always legless with my money on.
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Dizzy
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Ringlock
Champion Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1759 |
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thoughts on Cosmic Force at Newgate for $16,500?
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Second Chance
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Not for me Ringlock.
Others may differ.
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Cityboy
Champion Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 873 |
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Do I remember that Cosmic Force had some type of physical problem (eg: a throat operation)? He had a couple of real good performances as a racehorse but always seems to disappoint when my money was riding with him.
I like his pedigree FWIW
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Glencoe
Champion Joined: 19 Jun 2011 Location: Mt. Gambier S.A Status: Offline Points: 1942 |
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Typical Deep Field. A couple of impressive early performances then fold like a pack of cards
The fluff from Newgate is impressive though. 10/10 to the marketing team and 0/10 for those breeders who fall for it D.F. has even had more 3YO starters than Snitzel. That's why he has had so many winners. However his AEI of 1.08 ( Ave $30K per runner) is pedestrian to say the least Simply the majority of his runners lack the quality to be Saturday winners Does anyone know what %age of Deep Field wnrs are actually Sat. metro wnrs ? This would be an enlightening statistic. One I don't think we will see on promotional material
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Glencoe
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i.e. pedestrian for a $50K service fee
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linghi11
Champion Joined: 17 Apr 2013 Status: Offline Points: 7499 |
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Throws bad throats and they run accordingly under pressure.
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to the victor
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Glencoe
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so D.F.s alternative name is deep froat |
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Second Chance
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Following the retirement of the underwhelming I Am Immortal to stand at Swettenham, another 3rd rate I Am Invincible colt in Strasbourg has been retired to stand at Rosemont for $11k.
Won a weak 2yo stakes race in Brisbane after placing in a big-money but restricted Inglis race, then had trouble beating the clerk of the course home at 3. No thanks.
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linghi11
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It’s a bit early to start breeding to dud sons of IAI imo
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to the victor
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robbo
Champion Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1573 |
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But he is apparently a "look and book" type. I share the cynicism here - went back through his race record and it's nowhere near good enough to warrant an $11K fee. I've posted before that the pricing on pretty mediocre sons of Vinny is perplexing - Santos being the standout example. |
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Glencoe
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Remember the add for Stryker "looks to die for" Well he certainly killed more than a few broodmares pedigree pages
Thought we were breeding racehorses not led hacks for the showring
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Second Chance
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Indeed, lightning strikes twice, albeit badly.
Though would point out that Robbo entirely endorsed peoples' cynicism.
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Second Chance
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And now we have Royal Meeting, another son of Vinnie to stand in Vic for $11k. Won a French Gp1 on a heavy track but retired with an ordinary record of 7: 2-0-1. His last four starts were: last of 16, 5th of 7, last of 6, and 10th of 12. |
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Second Chance
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ps the record of the above three tyros beyond the age of two is: 11 starts, zero wins, one 2nd, one 3rd, 9 times unplaced.
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Red Hare
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Stewards report from the Cantala, Royal Meeting's 2nd up run in Aus off a 12 month break, state that Dwayne Dunn eased him out of the race after he made a respiratory noise. Replay suggests he was cooked at the 400m. To be fair, he was 2nd up off 12 months, carrying 56.5kg as a NH 3yo having his 4th career start, first time at the 1600m. Next three starts were at seven, ten & nine furlongs... six might've been his go? In any case, he's got an intriguing pedigree. First three dam sires are 'the other brother', trading off the family name... would be great to hear any South African insights.
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Kimberley Mine
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Looking at the production in his female line, I'm astounded that anyone tried this horse outside of sprint distances. It's a quality family, racing primarily at the premier tracks of Kenilworth (Cape Town) and Turffontein (Jo'burg). And basically every stakes horse under the 3rd dam is a sprinter. As for the "other brothers" -- Al Mufti may not have had the track performance of his half-brothers Wolfhound or Deerhound, but he did far better at stud than either of them. Whether it's because he went to South Africa or because he was a better stallion period is a question that will never be answered. It is worth noting, though, that Wolfhound was purchased by South African breeders late in his stallion career and he never made it to Al Mufti's level.
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Second Chance
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Correction. Royal Meeting is of course by Invincible Spirit, not I Am Invincible.
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Red Hare
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Vinny, but not ‘Vinny’ Vinny
I had AP Indy in mind re Al Mufti, so should state nephew as opposed to brother (come to think of it, same goes for Pulpit/Tale of the Cat & Lecture), but the point remains the same. I did at least recognise the name from somewhere, though I’m not sure where exactly... the answer is only ever a few clicks away Throw in Roberto’s full brother & Royal Meeting is nothing if not intriguing.
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