Russian Camelot

I know you are, but you have no argument. Because there is none.

djebel wrote: JudgeHolden wrote: Our horses are garbage. I refuse to accept that. They are virtually the same breed as Europe as a whole.

The vast majority of races, and prizemoney, is in races a mile or shorter, so that is where the breeding emphasis is.

max manewer wrote: The vast majority of races, and prizemoney, is in races a mile or shorter, so that is where the breeding emphasis is.

At 3 years and 40 days he is not the youngest horse to win a Derby in Australia but I think he is the first Northern bred to do so.

early days folks, early day💡

Epsom Derby to be run early July ... or maybe never.

What weight does RC get allocated for the Caulfield & Melb Cups?

As a G1 Derby winner, you’d expect more than the similarly aged Cross Counter 51 & Rekindling 51.5, both of who were G2/3 performers as NH 3yo’s.

Our horses aren't garbage. They're just not here.

Exactly right TJ
Any horse with a glimpse of ability these days ends up in Asia

Baguette - not sure about Timeform's reasoning. But the win was impressive. Both winners of the Vic and NSW Derbies rated at 115 (Timeform), Russian Camelot rated at 122.

Baguette the VRC Derby is usually weak as immature 3yos. ATC Derby this year was on a big track and the fancy runners like castelvecchio, shadow hero, warning were not effective for one reason or another. Look at form of Rosehill and Randwick guineas and it is obvious who the top 3yos were.

That form didn't stand up on the bog. Ramadan went to another level once he was finally stepped up beyond a mile and warnings two runs against him show the level of that form vs rh and rw guineas.

And the fact Russian Camelot did what he did and was eased late shows how good he was and that he was the best of this year's Derby winners as some of us predicted pre race that this was the strongest Derby of season.

Jamal wrote: Shawy thats not true. Not all horses with an ounce of ability end up in Asia. You need to be more specific.

Are you serious

Reference: https://www.racing.com/news/2020-05-10/news-options-open-with-camelot


Options open with Camelot

Brad Bishop@bradbishop12

12:48pm

Russian Camelot is now favourite for this year’s Melbourne Cup, but Danny O’Brien has not limited his sights to Australia’s most famous race with the boom colt.

The Flemington trainer is happy to consider all options with the Northern Hemisphere-bred three-year-old, who sensationally won Saturday’s South Australian Derby (2500m).

The Caulfield Cup (2400m) and Cox Plate (2040m), Australia’s premier middle-distance weight-for-race, are also on the table.

“He’s only had the five runs, so it’s a little bit hard to assess whether he could line up against the best horses in Australasia in the Cox Plate or whether we’d stick to the handicaps like the Caulfield and the Melbourne Cups,” O’Brien said.

Along with heading BetEasy’s Melbourne Cup market at $13, Russian Camelot is $11 equal favourite with Master Of Wine in the Caulfield Cup and a $21 chance in Cox Plate betting.

The Group 1 Makybe Diva Stakes (1600m) at his home track of Flemington shapes as a telling early assignment.

“We’ll just give him the chance over the next few months to mature and then we’ll kick off in something like the Makybe Diva,” O’Brien told RSN927’s Correct Weight.

“Maybe the Makybe Diva then the Turnbull (2000m) and that will tell us where he goes.

“There’s probably a good case for saying in the spring he could win a big race at the mile or certainly a mile and a quarter, he probably does have that little bit more versatility than Vow And Declare.”