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    Posted: 18 Mar 2021 at 1:01pm
Done in the A S M was it ?   Not surprised, on that track after the rain.
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Such a shame, felt like he hasn't reached his full potential yet.
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aa, Tendon tear in near-fore
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Take2 LOLLOLLOL
Jamal, highly likely with extensive rehab but what would there to be gained? He'd not be ready for Spring carnival 2021 but possibly the Autumn, whereas he could be earning money at stud within 6mths.
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unreal, had a look, must've been a "male look" to quote from the chairman of the board LOL
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Since I cant see where it says whats wrong with him, how do we know if he could recover and come back, Jamal ??  Confused
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

kiss.

Do you think he could of recovered and come back?
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Was announced exc lusively on the forum 25 minutes ago. 
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I heard this, is it true?

Please check the 'search' prior to starting new threads. Didn't you suspect he might have his own already?


Edited by Gay3 - 18 Mar 2021 at 10:22am
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kiss.
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Has an injury and will be retired with immediate effect.
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I hope they keep him fresh and go straight to the Queen Elizabeth.
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Good on them for sticking to the original plan of the mile.
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Originally posted by TJMitchell TJMitchell wrote:

.... I'd say more than likely he'll go first-up into the all star mile."

Is it groundhog day? Although this one seems less likely.


Just to bump this and also give credit due. Of course the barrier helped. Last 80 metres Mugatoo's stride just a bit stronger. May be it was because that run in Apollo softened him up!!!

Nonetheless Russian Camelot should pick up some more nice checks!
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"There is an option of going to the Futurity but I wouldn't want to push him out of his comfort zone to win a Group 1 first-up. I'd say more than likely he'll go first-up into the all star mile."


Middle distance horse has first up target of All star mile. Has a jumpout/trial. Trainer says there is an option to run in a 1400m Gr1 first up.

Is it groundhog day? Although this one seems less likely.
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https://www.rsn.net.au/featured/07/02/2021/can-the-russian-raise-his-head/

By Matt Stewart, Racing Editor

Is there a horse in Australia that can raise its head above the pack?

The first hint of an answer might come at the trials tomorrow when Russian Camelot springs the gates at Cranbourne.

Russian Camelot’s star did not plummet last spring but it faded.

A brave second after a wide run in the Makybe Diva Stakes appeared an exciting platform for the exotic Northern Hemisphere-bred colt and his second-up Underwood Stakes win appeared to set him up as the X-factor horse from this under-performing corner of the racing world.

But a subsequent defeat to Arcadia Queen in the Caulfield Stakes, then a well-held third to so-so internationals Sir Dragonet and Armory in the Cox Plate, then an honourable but fading eighth in the Melbourne Cup, consigned Russian Camelot to a mere face in the pack.

But Russian Camelot wandered off stage in early November as at least a horse with wriggle room.

Being Northern Hemisphere-bred, he was always six months behind and while trainer Danny O’Brien insisted Russian Camelot had been mature enough to absorb his spring agenda, there was also a sense that he was playing catch-up.

There had been a wow factor about him since his South Australian Derby win at just his fourth start the previous May and it was as much about his style and swagger as his turn of foot and scope.

But he never quite looked the part in the spring. He was the most observed horse in the pre-parade ring prior to the Makybe Diva and while there was certainly something there, some astute observers thought he looked “babyish.”

O’Brien reported a few days ago that Russian Camelot had thrived during his break, piling on 30 kilograms. Physically, he appears to have “caught up.”

From Cranbourne, Russian Camelot might have a first-up dip at the Futurity Stakes in a fortnight prior to the All Star Mile and then a fairly brief autumn that might round off in the Queen Elizabeth Stakes at Randwick.

It’s hard to gauge the challenge that will confront Russian Camelot and whether he can raise his head above his rivals and prove to the world that when we don’t have a Winx, we can at least generate horses capable of making “the list.”

The Longines ratings are riddled with inconsistencies but the basement ratings of our best horses Arcadia Queen, Russian Camelot and Verry Elleegant on the recent rankings was sobering.

They ranked equal 41st on the “best horse lists.”

Glass half full administrators can explain this away all they like, by distracting us with the relatively high rankings of our sprinters, but the dim recognition of our best middle distance horses reflects the desperate need for horses to advance from the ruck.

The three-year-olds are “even”, which is a nice way of saying average.

Ole Kirk is worth the equivalent of a block of units in Bondi after winning “stallion” races the Golden Rose and Caulfield Guineas, but he wasn’t super dominant in either of those races last spring.

Hot-pots went under left, right and centre on a shifting track at Randwick yesterday, so there may be some excuse, but Ole Kirk was just fair.

Ditto another of last spring’s better three-year-olds, Crosshaven, in the Orr at Caulfield.

Probabeel, Arcadia Queen, Russian Camelot and Sir Dragonet are our best horses but they are not turnstile clickers.

There had been a hope that Sir Dragonet would have launched off the Cox Plate and found a sharp length under the care of Maher/Eustace, but he plodded in the Orr. The gloss is off.

Arcadia Queen is a top notch mare – even if Longines reckons she’s a global no-name – but she has hit her ceiling

Probabeel was mighty at Caulfield yesterday and is marching towards being truly elite but not elite enough to steal the back page, no matter what she wins.

With Russian Camelot, though, there is still a sense of what might be.

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Maybe looking to the 7f in view of his tendency to overrace, especially after a break Confused it's all I can think of.
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But why?

The 1400m of the Memsie didn’t cross their mind in the Spring & he had a super campaign.

And a stallion doesn’t need a G1 sprint on their resume to be a commercially viable at stud.  Weren’t all of SYT’s G1 wins at 1800m-2040m?
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It's not locked in but they are thinking about the Futurity.

They just can not help themselves. 
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Now the Russian Camelot people are going to kiss things up. 
What’s happening? Is there a change of plans? I hope the Futurity isn’t being mooted as his race to resume in?

1800m to 2500m is his sweet spot.  Connections should be mapping out a plan to make sure he’s on target & not jaded for the G1 races in that distance range.
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First up at a mile then the QE, or what we used to call the Sir Dragonet plan.Wink I thought you would like that. Oh, no, have they changed? Futurity?LOL

Had to write Futurity out twice.  Autocorrect changed it to Futility. The Futility Stakes - got a ring to it.
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Now the Russian Camelot people are going to kiss things up.


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Whatever race they target in the Autumn his campaign should be built on races spaced 3 to 4 weeks apart.

 
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Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by Majestic Majestic wrote:

Spell then avoid dourness, keeping fresh for WFA like the old days. Futurity , Aust Cup, Queen Elizabeth. Then twist Coolmore‘s and Messara’s arms in a private auction for his services at stud. Could be the next SYT. Beautiful animal.

The next SYT? What winning five G1s in the southern hemisphere and five G1s in the northern hemisphere? I doubt it unlss im wrong.
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Originally posted by Majestic Majestic wrote:

Spell then avoid dourness, keeping fresh for WFA like the old days. Futurity , Aust Cup, Queen Elizabeth. Then twist Coolmore‘s and Messara’s arms in a private auction for his services at stud. Could be the next SYT. Beautiful animal.

The next SYT? What winning five G1s in the southern hemisphere and five G1s in the northern hemisphere? I doubt it unlss im wrong.
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Originally posted by kavg kavg wrote:

Anybody watch the win of his sister Russian Camilla overnight at Kempton race 1. On debut in a 2yo novice over a mile.

Missed the start from barrier 1 and was behind a wall of horses. Never looked likely but class kicked in with 50m to go.

Yep I saw this win. It was impressive. Good future perhaps coming up.
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Spell then avoid dourness, keeping fresh for WFA like the old days. Futurity , Aust Cup, Queen Elizabeth. Then twist Coolmore‘s and Messara’s arms in a private auction for his services at stud. Could be the next SYT. Beautiful animal.
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Going to set it for next year,s Melb Cup then ???Big smile
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Maybe if I ask nicely they'll knock a couple quid off the top
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Didn't you have a big win on mc? Was hoping you'd loan it to me??
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