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Shawy38
Champion Joined: 13 Jun 2015 Status: Offline Points: 17382 |
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Posted: 27 Apr 2022 at 12:24pm |
he was in work being prepped for a Queensland winter but unfortunately got injured.
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Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing
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VOYAGER
Champion Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 18736 |
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The reason form students were saying what has been posted here, back in 2020 was that that 2020 autumn form was awesome, a little like Incentivise's form last autumn/winter, coming through his grades.
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Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise
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Lord Hybrow
Champion Joined: 05 Jul 2015 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 6665 |
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Noticed on Racing Australia website that this much hyped gelding is now Retired status.
Not sure if he was not good enough, poorly campaigned by the Hawkes yard or had injury niggles (or a combination of all these) but certainly didn’t live up to the early promise of spring 2019 & autumn 2020.
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Lord Hybrow
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Uuuughhh, after sacking him after last start, I felt sick seeing the $8.00 place dividend on screen
I think today’s G3 placing actually sees him pass the ballot clause for the Melb Cup, so he should shoot you the order of entry to somewhere in the mid-30’s. With a little attrition above him, he may actually make the field.
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Magnolian Khan
Champion Joined: 23 Dec 2015 Location: SA Status: Offline Points: 8437 |
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Back to form in Melbourne today, send him to a local trainer.
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Shawy38
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Send him down to Lindsey Smith or Symon Wilde at the Bool and get him over a few logs.
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Lord Hybrow
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Showed absolutely zero in the straight today, really pedestrian effort.
He’s regressed massively in the last 12 months. Probably needs a change of scenery with a specialist staying trainer to spark something for him.
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VOYAGER
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If he shows something in his next start, I can see him taking the Maluckyday route to Melbournme through the City Tatt's Cup, and I think that is his level.
Maybe even the St Leger.
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djebel
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Reckon they will scratch him tomorrow.
They have scratched Zeyrek from Caulfield tomorrow and if he gets a run at Randwick he will jump from gate 1. |
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Lord Hybrow
Champion Joined: 05 Jul 2015 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 6665 |
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“Rising star Master Of Wine is capable of winning the Caulfield Cup, Cox Plate and Melbourne Cup all in the same year” That’s a quote from a professional form analyst from last year. Has the ‘window’ closed for this guy to win a good race? This time last year he was just behind the placings in a few G1’s. After a mixed autumn, his 2 efforts this time have been fine without being flashing light runs. Currently 20/1 in the Kingston Town Stks 2000m. Anyone interested in him tomorrow?
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Pardon_My_Dust
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Surely has issues Djebel, definitely not the same horse.
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Carioca
Champion Joined: 13 Nov 2015 Status: Offline Points: 21820 |
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Nothing in the stewards report fwiw.
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djebel
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The Sydney Cup would have been perfect for him off last Saturdays run.
Be interesting to see if they disclose any issues. |
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Foxseal
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Now in the spelling paddock, after only 3 autumn starts.
Stable must have found something wrong with him, as there would have been heaps of suitable races in Qld winter for him otherwise.
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Pardon_My_Dust
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Entente is no world beater and he beat The Master home easily.
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djebel
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The way he finished the Ranvet I thought he was looking for 2400m then.
Like you I thought the drop in grade would help but could not have him at those odds.
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Lord Hybrow
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Really disappointing yesterday.
I thought the drop in grade & the weight conditions he’d be a special. Looked pretty dour in the straight , so really needing to find a 2200-2400m race now. Not sure when the next suitable one is, maybe in Brisbane
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Lord Hybrow
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Backing up on Sat in the Neville Sellwood Stks over 2000m.
Could have been a live chance in the Tancred if he wen there, but they’ve stuck to the easier race. Only has 55.5kg under SW+P conditions, so surely wins this?
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Jamal
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Can run well today. A little bit each way.
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Lord Hybrow
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Any chance he’s a sleeper in the Rawson Stks today?
It would be bold to suggest he could knock off VE & Addeybb, but will definitely include him in box trifecta.
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Ticino
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Hello,
enjoyable news from my homecountry. A close relative was recently foaled of "Master of Wine" (Maxios). It's yet unnamed, but is from Oasis Dream o/o Magma by Dubai Destination. regards, Ticino
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Lord Hybrow
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I thought this guys first run for the autumn was pretty good, he was stretching out nicely through the line behind very hot opposition.
He wasn’t up to G1 class last spring, but if the stable places him to advantage, there’s wins in store for him. Think he’d be a nice horse for a Brisbane winter carnival campaign consisting of a Hollindale Cup, Doomben Cup & then the Q22 Stks. With much of the Brisbane carnival cancelled last year, I think many trainers have forgotten about the massive prizemoney up there. That Q22 race is a 2200m WFA race worth $1.2m!
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Lord Hybrow
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Caulfield Cup = fail
Cox Plate = fail He’s definately a talented horse but has been massively over rated. Turn him out & start planning a Sydney autumn campaign.
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Second Chance
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Not according to fat fonc. But then again...
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mikey
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Running a horse outside their normal racing pattern rarely works. I think it can work if the horse has a very light weight & is too offset a bad barrier or track condition but 99/100 i prefer to see them stick to their natural pattern no matter what.
Vow & Declare in last years Melbourne Cup was one of the very few exceptions but had an outside barrier and a very light weight. So You Think in the first of his Cox Plates was another case, a 3yo with a very light weight. Most times you can throw your tickets in the bin before the race is over. Whoever came up with the idea to have Master of Wine on the pace yesterday from an ideal barrier is guilty of stupidity imho. Apparently Craig Williams was riding to instructions??
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Gay3
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Apart from the fact I think he's been hugely over rated, Wayne did say they'd treated him for a bruised hoof during the week and only reported it to stewards because "it was a Caulfield Cup". Normally we wouldn't
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Grey Affair
Champion Joined: 24 Jun 2017 Location: Queensland Status: Offline Points: 2994 |
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I would have preferred to see him settle midfield. |
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Lord Hybrow
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What do we make of his effort yesterday?
Hard to imagine he would be pressing on to the Melb Cup.
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Red Hare
Champion Joined: 12 Jan 2015 Location: Victoria Status: Offline Points: 4233 |
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According to Andrew Bensley, he’s safely in the field (16th) with the Coongy to come. So.... question asked, and answered.
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djebel
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Really ?
I reckon Kris Lee's has improved out of site the last few years.
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