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Passing Through
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Of course it’s the governor’s fault. They had the power to do what they wanted but were too slow and politically driven to do the right thing. Regardless of wha5 a Trump said, they were in a position to act and failed Oh, except Cuomo who took action. He sent Covid patients into nursing homes to spread the disease. Killing thousands but hey, that don’t matter, he ain’t orange ??
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Tlazolteotl
Champion Joined: 02 Oct 2012 Location: Elephant Butte Status: Offline Points: 31302 |
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For the Next Pandemic, Run the Trump Playbook in ReverseThe U.S. government has significant experience in mobilizing for crises. What went wrong this time? https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-04-10/the-coronavirus-mistakes-trump-made-that-we-can-never-make-again “Allow me to say as I told her personally today, the governor
of Oregon, Governor Kate Brown — her unilateral decision to send 140
ventilators … to New York, to me was in the very highest American
tradition of loving your neighbor. And when I talked to Governor Cuomo,
Mr. President, he said they never asked Oregon for the ventilators and
Governor Brown hadn’t even called him to tell him that she was doing
that. It really is remarkable.” “I’ve said many times: We are all in this together,” Inslee said. Yes, there are daily press briefings, in which some facts are conveyed and warnings issued (along with occasional misinformation from President Donald Trump), and they have some limited utility. But if this crisis were being managed properly, the federal government would know where every ventilator in the country was, and it would be able to quickly deploy them to the states where they were most needed. To put it another way, what the Trump administration should’ve done in late January was to mobilize the entire federal government. That it still hasn’t done so is both inexplicable and shocking. Federal mobilization is common when disaster hits. Protocols have been
in place for decades. After Hurricane Sandy, a half-dozen agencies, led
by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, worked together to help the
hardest-hit areas recover. A similarly coordinated effort followed the
outbreak of the H1N1 virus in 2009. What’s unusual about the current
crisis is that it’s affecting all 50 states at once, rather than a
single region ravaged by, say, a hurricane. But that’s all the more
reason for the federal government to be running the show. President Barack Obama’s administration confronted outbreaks of the
Ebola, Zika and H1N1 viruses. Although these had limited effect in the
U.S., they highlighted the very real possibility of a pandemic wreaking
havoc here. By the end of Obama’s second term, his National Security
Council had developed a 69-page playbook for responding to such threats. So what should’ve happened once it was clear the pandemic would threaten the U.S.? I spoke to half a dozen officials who have been involved in preparing for and dealing with disasters, including Ashton Carter, the former defense secretary; Juliette Kayyem, the former assistant secretary for intergovernmental affairs at the Department of Homeland Security; and Michèle Flournoy, the former undersecretary of defense for policy. Here are some of the messages I took away from those conversations. Invoking the Defense Production Act should be a priority, not a last resort. Just
about everybody I spoke with was mystified that Trump has been so
reluctant to use the DPA, which gives the president expansive authority
to “instruct everybody to do anything that is in service of our national
security,” as Carter put it. Read the article if you want more. |
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Afros
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Because of course, the orange idiot going about telling everyone that they didn't need to wear masks or social distance didn't affect things at all hey?
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Second Chance
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Shrunk's possible epitaph: "Loved and in our hearts forever, even if there are none so blind that will not see".
Not that anyone would for a moment wish him an early departure from his mortal fold.
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Shrunk in the Wash
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I guess CNN, the trump haters, were lying CNN)President Donald Trump signaled Monday he is aware things may get worse before they get better as the country battles the coronavirus pandemic. Certainly, this is going to be bad," Trump said. As the country entered another week of virtual shutdown, tough questions have been raised on how long the coronavirus mitigation measures he recommended will last and whether they are worth the economic pain. During his daily coronavirus briefing, Trump signaled he hopes America can resume business sooner rather than later. "We will be using data to recommend new protocols to allow local economies to cautiously resume their activity at the appropriate time," Trump said. Trump was initially resistant to Fauci's recommendations that he take steps to encourage social distancing during the first go-around, people familiar with the deliberations said. After coming under intense criticism for not acting more decisively, Trump went ahead with the recommendations -- but remains unconvinced it was the right decision. Trump has been irked by the images of spring breakers in Florida ignoring the self-isolating guidance, a source close to the White House who is involved in the coronavirus response said. "What's the point of social distancing if 20% ignore the order?" Trump has said to aides, according to the source. |
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Passing Through
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If you can't see the con, you are the mark.
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Of course PT.
You know it all
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Tlazolteotl
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Coronavirus and the rise of a right-wing media star
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An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.
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Passing Through
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Hope you are sitting down Shrunk.
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fee
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Astrazeneca vaccine, 90% effective, can be stored in a refrigerator and is cheaper
So many vaccines appearing, take your choice. The scientist are amazing , deserve to be lauded and rewarded And here I was thinking there were no vaccines for anything cos a world renowned immunologist told me so
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Passing Through
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This one is a game changer. Talking of hundreds of millions of doses by first quarter 2021 and it isn't American so broader distribution.
With this virus they had a big head start with a virus for SARS 1 almost ready for market when it died by itself. They have therefore got several years head start with this one.
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Tlazolteotl
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Didn't it occur to the Pfizzer geeks that making it necessary to store it at -70C was not ideal?
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An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.
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fee
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As you put it their vaccine is a fizzer May still be used if there are not enough doses of others to go around and also a giant pharma like them may be able to exert pressure on governments
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Passing Through
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The Oxford/Astrazeneca one will require more doses though and 2 jabs apparently. They were ready to go a while ago but only had around 60% efficacy. Further testing showed that a half dose followed by a full dose later gave 90%.
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ExceedAndExcel
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We are so lucky to have a leading expert on all fields of medicine on TBV. At least we were.
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Tlazolteotl
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I am more sensitive to the problems very low temperature requirements creates than your average Joe because of something that happened to me last summer. I ordered in a shingles vaccine to my pharmacist - Zostavax. They keep all vaccines in a carefully calibrated and monitored fridge at fridge temperature, as do all GPs. It's been in their fridge for 3 days because of public holidays when I decide to check out the instructions for the vaccine at the US manufacturer's site. The people who invented it. Panic! My $185 vaccine needs to be stored in a freezer and is ruined. I ring the pharmacist so he can join in my panic and he rings the Australian manufacturer. They tell him the Aussie version doesn't need to be kept in a freezer. Why the US inventor of the stuff would have a much more impractical version is beyond me. So I get the shingles vaccination. Whether I have any shingles antibodies I do not know.
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fee
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Stamp duty reduction of 50 % for new homes, 25% for exiting homes . The Victorian residential market will boom, up by 10% in 12 months IMO
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oneonesit
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When i first read that post above i thought Rusty was making one of his Stamp Collector jibes again
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Refer ALP Election Promises
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TJMitchell
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Like I've been saying. 2021. Year of Australia.
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Time is a flat circle
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furious
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When I first looked at the official world site for numbers ect the world was sitting at 3,726,704 cases of coronavirus with 258,295 deaths. We were in shut down and the Ruby Princess had alot to answer for!
Months later we are relatively opening up with no cases known in the community for quite a while. Finally state borders are tentively opening. Families are reuniting. Our world seems to be returning. The vaccine is on the horizon. Yet when I visit the official world site a different story is told. For the last three days (and this day's full report isn't in yet) there are 1,697,296 new cases and 34,525 deaths. All in three days! The world isn't experiencing what we have here in Australia. The numbers now stand at 61,277,504 cases and 1,436,796 deaths. The world as we know it is still very much in trouble. At least the death rate seems to be down as doctors world wide find better ways of helping their patients through this. So like TJ Mitchell above says. Congratulations to the politicians who took a hard stand to save Christmas or anything else for that matter. Yes our death rate suffered when it got into the nursing homes in Victoria but compared to the vast majority of nations ie USA 812 per million Brazil 805 per million France 780 per million Spain 949 per million UK 838 per million Italy 875 per million Mexico 800 per million Peru 1,079 per million (I think perhaps their hospitals failed to cope with demand) Belgium 1385 per million (as above) Sweden 654 per million Switzerland 519 per million Our figure is 35 per million Well below China (3), Singapore (5) and South Korea (10) so high populations and density didn't always mean higher tolls. Even Japan beats us with 16 deaths per million and with almost 2000 new cases and over 2000 dead she is not out of the woods yet. And neither are we! So while we glory in each new freedom we must remember the vaccine isn't here yet and it doesn't take much to reintroduce a new strain.
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furious
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Might I also praise the Australian people who on the whole have helped to shut this thing down every time it has reared it's ugly head. We might have a world wide reputation for being drunk and disorderly but hey we can follow orders when it matters.
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TJMitchell
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The Australian people have done an amazing job furious. Even though we'd had 0 new cases here the 3 weeks prior we still had almost 80,000 tests this week in Vic.
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Time is a flat circle
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acacia alba
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I think Australia, her leaders, and 90% of her people have just done a wonderful job . They all deserve high praise. When I hear from friends in UK and USA it really makes me think how very lucky we have been.
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animals before people.
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max manewer
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People have been compliant with govt directives, to a degree I would not have expected, but after they played the third SOO game to a packed house, I can't see why any restrictions on assembly are still in existence.
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Passing Through
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There wont be shortly.
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Mr Prospector
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I also think Millennials should take a bow especially . We've seen what happens in other countries when young people ignore social rules and spread the virus extensively . Youngsters were the least affected by the virus , with the most to lose in terms of job losses and income and career and education path disruption . For us oldies it was a no brainer to do the right thing but for the Aussie younger generation it was selfless . |
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There are three types of lies - Lies ,Damn Lies and Statistics
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Rhino
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Well said Mr P. Fully agree.
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furious
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Fully agree.
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Shrunk in the Wash
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Not sure I agree folks. There’s been plenty of hiccups and potential stuff ups along the way..I think we’ve got lucky......thankfully
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