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Covid will magically disappear when the number of deaths reach 1 million
What exactly are you smoking, Tiger ?
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Aspirin Poisoning and the Flu

With no cure for the flu, many doctors prescribed medication that they felt would alleviate symptoms… including aspirin, which had been trademarked by Bayer in 1899—a patent that expired in 1917, meaning new companies were able to produce the drug during the Spanish Flu epidemic. 

Before the spike in deaths attributed to the Spanish Flu in 1918, the U.S. Surgeon General, Navy and the Journal of the American Medical Association had all recommended the use of aspirin. Medical professionals advised patients to take up to 30 grams per day, a dose now known to be toxic. (For comparison’s sake, the medical consensus today is that doses above four grams are unsafe.) Symptoms of aspirin poisoning include hyperventilation and pulmonary edema, or the buildup of fluid in the lungs, and it’s now believed that many of the October deaths were actually caused or hastened by aspirin poisoning.

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Advising people to take that much aspirin, is sure to cause bleeds throughout the body. Some experts think aspirin may be a cause of macular direction. Drugs without side effects are like dogs without fleas. rare.
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The worst seems to be behind them in the present wave of infections in VIC, but the deaths will keep going, or increasing. There'll be a few with guilty consciences over this debacle.
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331 new cases and another 19 deaths in Victoria.

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Andrews doing a lot of dodging and weaving, answering a simple question, "why did you choose to use private security firms". Spoke for five minutes without answering it.
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I still can't figure out where Spanish flu went to. The explanation I get is that you either died or got immunity but that doesn't make sense to me. What about newborn babies? What about people who had not been exposed? Why didn't they get it? Herd immunity? But that would mean it's still out there but it never infects anybody.
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Last six days of rolling average in Victoria looks promising.518,527,496,490.471,402

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On 24th June Victoria had 20 confirmed positives, today 11th August NSW has 22 .
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Here we go 2ic,Murdoch press shows no bias and lays into federal government...

THE aged-care royal commission has criticised what has been claimed was the federal government’s failure to prepare aged-care homes for the COVID-19 crisis.

In a scathing address, counsel assisting the commission Peter Rozen, QC, said “we should not be surprised” by the outbreaks which have claimed 138 lives in Victoria. “It’s not a system that is failing,” he said.

“It’s a system operating as it is designed to operate.”

With 68 per cent of Australian COVID-19 deaths linked to aged care, Mr Rozen said this was “one of the highest rates in the world”.

Mr Rozen said the federal Health Department and the Aged Care Quality and Safety Commission failed to develop “a COVID-19 plan specifically for the aged-care sector”.

“On July 29, 2020, as COVID-19 was raging through a large number of nursing homes in Melbourne with devastating consequences, commonwealth Health Minister Greg Hunt was quoted as saying that, and I quote, ‘aged care around the country has been immensely prepared’,” Mr Rozen said.

“In a number of important respects, the evidence will demonstrate that the sector has been underprepared.”

Mr Rozen said a regulator was set up in July last year — but its preparation after the virus was first identified in Australia in March largely consisted of sending out a survey that providers completed themselves.

And 99.5 per cent of providers assessed their readiness as satisfactory, with 42.7 rating themselves as “best practice”.

Mr Rozen also targeted the lack of advice from the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee between June 19 and August 3, “a crucial period” when dozens of Melbourne facilities battled outbreaks.

The commission also heard how NSW hospitals resisted admitting COVID-positive patients from Newmarch House in April — a difficulty some Victorian facilities experienced last month, frustrating the federal government.

Merle Mitchell, a resident in a Glen Waverley facility, told the hearing she would “rather be dead” than in aged care. Although there hasn’t been any cases at her facility, she has had to stay in her room 24 hours a day.

Aged Care Minister Richard Colbeck said the government had spent $850m supporting the sector during the pandemic.

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Premier Dan Andrews has deflected tough questioning about the bungled hotel quarantine program while facing a parliamentary committee probing his government’s coronavirus response. Mr Andrews said he would not be calling for the resignation of Jobs Minister Martin Pakula after he was singled out for criticism.

Jobs Minister Martin Pakula has been singled out for allowing the coronavirus to escape from Victoria’s disastrous hotel quarantine program, sparking the state’s deadly second wave.

Premier Daniel Andrews, appearing before the parliament’s Public Accounts and Estimates Committee (PAEC) on Tuesday, was asked if he would call for Mr Pakula’s resignation.

The Premier said he wouldn’t, saying he took full responsibility for the program which was still to go before a formal inquiry.

Mr Andrews deflected questions about why private security was used to patrol hotels to the Hotel Quarantine Inquiry.

But he said Australian Defence Force support was not on offer at that time.

Mr Andrews said he had not yet been briefed on latest genomic sequencing data examining the link between Victoria’s hotel quarantine system and the state’s deadly second wave.

The Premier said he had been briefed on initial data, prepared by the Doherty Institute, which showed a “significant” number of Victoria’s second wave COVID-19 cases could be linked to the program.

But he said he was yet to receive a briefing on new data.

Mr Andrews deflected many questions about the program to the hotel quarantine inquiry.


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PT,   Victoria is on track to go straight past Hungary in Covid Deaths.

We are an island.

Victoria is a state.

Hungary is a landlocked nation that is next to over 200,000 Covid Deaths.

Hungary, 600 deaths.

Hungary, Hydroxychloroquine.

Victoria???  Dying from Covid is ummm, "trendy"??

Stalin in blushing.

Thousands of suicides and attempted suicides.
Hydroxy banned.

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Thousands of suicides ? Do we have a reliable source for that ?
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Hungary, 600 deaths.

Hungary, Hydroxychloroquine.


Are you suggesting that Hungary's 600 deaths at 6 times the rate as us is because Hungary is using Hydroxtchloroquine?
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We can go one better than that Tlazz. Only 4 mths ago the experts all agreed their was little to be gained by wearing masks ConfusedConfused
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One did not need to be the new Einstein, to realise masks always were an aid, if you thought not, then why do the all the nurses have them on ?
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Thousands of suicides ? Do we have a reliable source for that ?

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“We don’t talk about suicide rate like we talked about the deaths in COVID,” Gus Worland said.

“There’s been over 1,200 suicides since March compared to just over 200 deaths with the virus.

“They are the numbers we should be talking about.

“So many people are battling out there at the moment, and we need to give them as much information as possible on how to not worry alone and how to have a conversation with someone so they can get through this very difficult time.

“We were in crisis before COVID, and we’re even worse now.
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CBS NEWS August 10, 2020, 7:08 AM

97,000 children reportedly test positive for coronavirus in two weeks as schools gear up for instruction

Nearly 100,000 children tested positive for the coronavirus in the last two weeks of July, a new report from the American Academy of Pediatrics finds. Just over 97,000 children tested positive for the coronavirus from July 16 to July 30, according to the association.

Out of almost 5 million reported COVID-19 cases in the U.S., CBS News' Michael George reports that the group found that more than 338,000 were children.

Vanderbilt University's Dr. Tina Hartert hopes increased testing of children will help determine what role they play in transmission, as school districts around the country return to some form of school. She is leading a government-funded study that saw DIY testing kits sent to some 2,000 families. more...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-kids-school-children-positive-tests-coronavirus-reopening/

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Tht l'd check early today ... or late ... trying not to break the Curfew Smile you see Melbourne curfew ... that is ... Wink (Black Gold .Texas tea. ... as Jed would say .... just my indulgence that last little bit Kids Smile it's a fright boring for some reason and no songs on the radar - well maybe one but maybe later )

...so no change and wheel out few dead-uns as NSW used to do .. (one a day  it was for them) and say lookie here !  Hmmmm...

anyway l'm hungry when's lunch ???


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That headline would read better PT if you said ...    100000 American School Children are having their Corona Flu shot.

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How's everyones Covid Safe App going?

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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Hungary, 600 deaths.

Hungary, Hydroxychloroquine.
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Victoria is a state on an island.
Hungary is a landlocked nation next to over 200,000 Covid deaths.

The banning of Hydroxychloroquine in Victoria, and Australia is criminal.
Victoria, even just as a state, is going to pass Hungary's national total.

UNLESS, we finally use Hydroxychloroquine here.


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I did hear it chalked up a success, in Sydney I think.
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Bill Gates on Covid: Most US Tests Are ‘Completely Garbage’

The techie-turned-philanthropist on vaccines, Trump, and why social media is “a poisoned chalice.”


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But as with many of us, 2020 had different plans for Gates. An early Cassandra who warned of our lack of preparedness for a global pandemic, he became one of the most credible figures as his foundation made huge investments in vaccines, treatments, and testing. He also became a target of the plague of misinformation afoot in the land, as logorrheic critics accused him of planning to inject microchips in vaccine recipients. (Fact check: false. In case you were wondering.)

WIRED: You have been warning us about a global pandemic for years. Now that it has happened just as you predicted, are you disappointed with the performance of the United States?

Bill Gates: Yeah. There’s three time periods, all of which have disappointments. There is 2015 until this particular pandemic hit. If we had built up the diagnostic, therapeutic, and vaccine platforms, and if we’d done the simulations to understand what the key steps were, we’d be dramatically better off. Then there’s the time period of the first few months of the pandemic, when the US actually made it harder for the commercial testing companies to get their tests approved, the CDC had this very low volume test that didn’t work at first, and they weren’t letting people test. The travel ban came too late, and it was too narrow to do anything. Then, after the first few months, eventually we figured out about masks, and that leadership is important.

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Speaking of therapeutics, if you were in the hospital and you have the disease and you’re looking over the doctor’s shoulder, what treatment are you going to ask for?

Remdesivir. Sadly the trials in the US have been so chaotic that the actual proven effect is kind of small. Potentially the effect is much larger than that. It’s insane how confused the trials here in the US have been. The supply of that is going up in the US; it will be quite available for the next few months. Also dexamethasone—it’s actually a fairly cheap drug—that’s for late-stage disease.


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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Speaking of therapeutics, if you were in the hospital and you have the disease and you’re looking over the doctor’s shoulder, what treatment are you going to ask for?



If you have a look at worldometeres website for italy and then look at their death toll  , I'd ask for the standard Italian therapeutic protocols . 
Italy was a disaster zone and one of the first countries hard hit by Covid , it is now looks like a model of how handle this beast and to go forward with both the economy and the health system .   

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Got it Mr P...    The early infected in huge numbers are starting to show the herd immunity will be the answer as HIstory has shown .

The anti "others" mouths are noticeably quieter of late ,   as the tide changes and a brighter light shines .
The USA should have improving numbers for the election , so some good is on the Horizon.
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Originally posted by Redemption Redemption wrote:


Victoria is a state on an island.
Hungary is a landlocked nation next to over 200,000 Covid deaths.

The banning of Hydroxychloroquine in Victoria, and Australia is criminal.
Victoria, even just as a state, is going to pass Hungary's national total.

UNLESS, we finally use Hydroxychloroquine here.



Hungary - 614 covid deaths - 13% fatality rate


Countries that border Hungary


Slovakia - 31 covid deaths - 1.2% fatality rate

Austria - 723 covid deaths - 3.3% fatality rate

Slovenia - 128 covid deaths - 5.7% fatality rate

Croatia - 158 covid deaths - 2.8% fatality rate

Serbia - 646 covid deaths - 2.3% fatality rate

Romania - 2729 covid deaths - 4.4% fatality rate

Ukraine - 1951 covid deaths - 2.3% fatality rate


Red, I mean this in the nicest way possible. Shut up about Hydroxychloroquine.
 


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Russia to the rescue

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According to the article the Italian population is manic about following social distancing and safety protocols including masks and handwashing.   
If the numbers are right then this is the way forward to beat Covid or at least control the damage. 

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87446
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