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Passing Through
Champion Joined: 09 Jan 2013 Location: At home Status: Offline Points: 79532 |
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How did the NSW Libs go trying to shut down the pole p1ssers in NSW?
Fringe party appealing to it's base to consolidate it, and nobody else.
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Baghdad Bob
Champion Joined: 10 Feb 2010 Location: Victoria Status: Offline Points: 13695 |
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Rusty, is that a crazy idea or not ?
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Afros
Champion Joined: 14 Jan 2009 Status: Offline Points: 15512 |
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Maybe so Bobby, but some of their base support the idea, hence the push and it's hardly a new idea for them, is it?
At least they are staying true to their base, which is more than can be said of the wart on the Liberals arse, commonly known as the Nationals.
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Baghdad Bob
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Just who are the "base support " of the Greens ? Can I suggest they attract idealists, rather than realists as their support base. The Sun will rise each morning and set each night but as we all know between those daylight hours life is anything but ideal and unfortunately that is where the Greens are their most vulnerable. To survive those daylight hours day in day out one must be a realist not an idealist.
Utopia is just a word and in reality it will never exist.
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Passing Through
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Whatever they are Bob, they are are a legitimate constituency and have enough of a base to be influential and warrant seats in government at all levels and have a place. If old rich white folks are the only legitimate voice in Australia we would only need the Liberal Party. Thank goodness they aren't.
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rusty nails
Champion Joined: 20 Mar 2013 Location: Sydney Status: Offline Points: 11400 |
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Unfortunately, the Greens have attracted the likes of Bob Brown, who just don’t understand logic.
As a group,they generally don’t subscribe to the idea of “don’t let perfect be the enemy of good” The carbon tax being a perfect example. Brown wouldn’t settle for 60% of what he wanted, he insisted on 100%, and, as a result got nothing. Idiot
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Passing Through
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Bob arguably cost Labor power in 2019. As the Libs know well with the current climate ''debate'', there are swings and roundabouts in forming alliances with your rump. They still have a place though while we still have a democracy.
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furious
Champion Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Status: Offline Points: 25179 |
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So shut down racing and kill off the thoroughbred. They would kill off every animal that wasn't originally from Australia. Yet in the USA they wan't to kill off the mustang when it is proven horses developed in the USA and then died out there.
I've never understood the hatred involved with the greens. Everything is black and white. Their way or the highway. And their way sometimes doesn't make any sense. They show the bad without seeing the good.
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furious
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And they are dangerous because more and more people have no contact with the land or animals. So no common sense when dealing with the country doesn't seem strange to them.
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Afros
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Pretty obvious Bobby, if you take off your natural hate of all things left of the Liberals and just look at them for what they are. Their base is people who believe in sustainable environmental practises, social justice and believe in peace and non-violence. I guess it could be said they are to Labor what One Nation are to the Liberals, with the Greens further left than Labor and One Nation further right than the Liberals, although they probably don't attract as many nutters overall as Pauline's mob however given they are the furthest left of all of our parties, they are going to attract those with far left views, hence the ban racing stance. Given they've been around 10% of the vote for the last decade they are comfortably the third party in our system now, gaining more votes than the Nationals last election (working on the LNP vote in Qld being 50/50 Liberal/National).
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Afros
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I actually think the Greens and farmers could become aligned, as the Greens core aim of sustainable environmental practises should work well for farmers, I think there is a gap for a new party for those on the land as the wart on the Liberals arse have drifted away from what is meant to be their base and seem more interested in protecting the mines and stopping action on climate change than protecting their base, the farmers. Who knows, perhaps a new minor party for the agricultural industries could even form a loose alliance with the Greens as lets be honest, sustainable environmental practises is beneficial for farmers.
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Passing Through
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They are not a risk to the existence of the racing industry. They are dangerous because they incite stupid gullible people to do stupid stuff in the name of animal welfare.
They are being successful in frightening people and promoting themselves.
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rusty nails
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Here’s an example of greens logic:
There was a derelict federation building in the park behind the beach at Palm Beach. The council received a proposal from a restauranteur to renovate the building at his cost, and lease it from the council to run a business. The greens councillor was dead against it. When she was asked whether she would prefer it to sit there, fenced off and continue to deteriorate until it had to be demolished, or for the council to spend the big bucks to renovate it as an alternative to the proposal. “I just don’t think people should be able to profit from council buildings” So just let it sit there as an eyesore? “I just don’t think people should be able to profit from council buildings” No idea of solving real world problems, just stick to unrealistic ideals, that don’t work in a real world.
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furious
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Afros they wanted to fence all the creek in my cousins farm so the animals couldn't get to the water! Thats not common sense that's what the creek is all about - water for the farm animals.
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Tlazolteotl
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It's a pity rivers/streams can't be fenced off from cattle. Even if you go up in the mountains a million miles from town the water is contaminated and you can't drink it unfiltered.
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furious
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Tiazolteoti there are wild creatures who also need that water and others who live in the water. Water isn't there just for people. Anyway I think a kangaroo would just jump the fence to get it. And what happens when it rains. Even the fences won't stop muck getting into the water then. We'd have to strip the land of any animals farmed to free to give you what you want.
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oneonesit
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However, when it comes to the Racing Industry I think they have a reasonable point. Lets not kid ourselves - it is driven by "punting". Nothing else. Everything else that comers with it stems from that one grubby vice. Now I'm not stupid enough to think you will ever stop the need to gamble - however you don't have to endanger animals to achieve that. Casino's , poker machines , lotteries all serve the gambling habit without any animal being hurt. And facts show the vast majority of "gamblers"" are more than happy to do their money these ways. Lets put it this way - if society was starting again today - with its current social values - animals racing would never get off the ground. Once the cycle was broken for a few years it would not be missed. Industry participants would be doing something else , punters would be getting their kicks others ways. Its not as if horses will be gone - just not racing - & a lot less thoroughbreds/standardbred horses. Greyhounds may become a breed of the past (unfortunately) Bound to stimulate some discussion i hope. |
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Passing Through
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What happened when Mike Baird tried to shut down the greyhound industry in NSW? It lost Orange in a by-election to Shooters and Fishers who supported the dogs and could see a state electoral defeat coming.
Horse racing is a $9billion a year 70,000 people employer. There is a reason it continued through the pandemic while many other industries closed down. The Greens will never have the legislative power to control a state or federal govt to shut anything.
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Tlazolteotl
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Notice how the Greens have extremist nuts, the Coalition has extremist nuts, but the ALP doesn't have any.
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oneonesit
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Don't think i ever suggested it would be happening in the short-term
Doesn't mean it does not have validity though. Take your blinkers off ! |
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Passing Through
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No blinkers on and still have a whip. They have been trying for how long just to get them banned? I think that banning the whip is a very reasonable thing but they still cant even get it banned, let alone banning the whole industry.
Wont be happening in my lifetime, but then again I dont jump at green shadows or other rubbish amplified on Facebook or twitter from some nutjob with that huge platform and megaphone.
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acacia alba
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But Tlaz, there are no cattle in the mountains. The greenies got the mountain cattlemen kicked off their heriditary leases ( that helped control litter build up/bushfires) years ago. Now they are on for shooting the horses. But pigs and weekend warriors run wild and free.
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animals before people.
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Baghdad Bob
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1+ 1 , where did it get into your mind that all punters lose betting on horse racing ? I have know many people who win punting but I know of no one who wins at casinos, pokies or on lotteries. Those successful punters would not be happy if horse racing was shut down by the Greens. From a personal point a view I would not place any wager on any of those alternatives.
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Tlazolteotl
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There are pro casino poker players. Also pro blackjack players who get their edge by card counting. But they throw you out once they think you are at it.
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An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.
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Baghdad Bob
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If a female member of the Liberal Coalition or the ALP knowing a woman in parliament was the mother of an autistic child and told her she should have kept her legs closed ( fully knowing she would not have fallen pregnant ) I sure Scomo or Albo would have hauled her over the coals, but what did Adam Bandt do when Lydia Thorpe a member of his Greens parliamentary party said just that ? Nothing , what a hypocrite . This is the same man who gets up in parliament preaching how if he gets into a Coalition with the ALP he will bring to the table policies that will offer equity and equality to those less off.
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rusty nails
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It’s embarrassing that they highlight that 2 years of a levy will realise $490M That won’t even pay for the sheiks investment. That’s less than 5% of the horse population…. Idiots
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Where does the Green's support come from to pass the legislation?
They are 1/151 in the House and 9/76 in the Senate.
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