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Hi there guys: 
On prince of aaran.question some one said to me .he hasn’t won for a little while.but has he earnt  thousands .in those starts Is he placing etc.I like him he has always had talent.
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Just seems to grow another leg here in Aus no matter how he's been performing.

7 starts in Aus: won the Lexus, won the Geelong Cup, 2nd Melbourne Cup, 2nd Herbert Power, 3rd Melbourne Cup, 3rd Herbert Power and 4th Caulfield Cup.
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Originally posted by TJMitchell TJMitchell wrote:

Prince Of Arran anyone?

I backed it last year only horse I backed in the race. Had the run of the race every chance really should've won. Granted it only lost by a head but if you watch the race it just had all the favors in the run.

Interesting re Steel Prince just winning the Geelong Cup. It's run in last years Cup was enormous but it needs to settle and I note that even now in the Geeling Cup he looked to be overracing. If he could settle he can definitely win it.
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If Prince of Arran draws inside barrier eight and can roll forward down the straight the first time, he is a definite top four hope because his run was every bit as good as AVD's was, although with less weight.
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CUP PENALTY FOR PRINCE OF GEELONG

October 22, 2020 12:24 pm

By Staff Writers

Winner of the Geelong Cup, Steel Prince has been penalised 1kg by Racing Victoria’s Executive General Manager – Racing, Greg Carpenter for the Melbourne Cup.

The gelding will almost certainly gain a Melbourne Cup start, moving to 25th on the order of acceptances.

Anthony and Sam Freedman trained the first two past the post yesterday, where Steel Prince narrowly defeated international import Le Don De Vie.

Carpenter said:

“This year was an extremely strong renewal of the Geelong Cup with four European stayers – all Group or Listed Race winners – making their Australian debut and this year’s Group 2 Adelaide Cup winner King of Leogrance also contesting the race.

“When we took into account the outstanding quality of yesterday’s field, we felt that 1kg was the appropriate penalty for Steel Prince which takes him to 53.5kg and 25th in the order of entry.

“While the margin of victory was narrow Steel Prince won with some authority in the end. He carried 0.5kg less than King of Leogrance yesterday and now moves to the same weight as him in the Melbourne Cup.

“Geelong Cup winners in the last decade have an outstanding record in the Melbourne Cup with Americain and Dunaden both going on to win the Flemington feature with 54.5kg after being penalised for the Geelong win.

“Last year Prince of Arran was also penalised 1kg to 54kg before being placed third across the line in the Melbourne Cup and then promoted to second on protest.”

Third acceptances for the Melbourne Cup close at 10am (AEDT) next Monday, 26 October 2020 with two ballot exemption races remaining – this Saturday’s Group 1 Ladbrokes Cox Plate (2040m) at The Valley and the Group 3 Lexus Stakes (2500m) at Flemington on 31 October.

Click here to view the Melbourne Cup order of entry (as at 22 October 2020)

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VETS HAWKING TWO CUP IMPORTS

October 22, 2020 11:50 am

By Matt Stewart, Racing Editor

Imports Nickajack Cave and Dashing Willoughby are on a veterinary watch list for the Melbourne Cup.

Both imports have received CT scans at the request of their trainers.

Dashing Willoughby’s scan results are being reviewed both by vets for trainer Andrew Balding and from Racing Victoria.

Dashing Willoughby finished a tailed-off last in the Caulfield Cup and is a $101 chance in the Melbourne Cup.

New trainer Peter Moody confirmed Nickajack Cave was CT scanned yesterday and said the results “were basically clear bar a very small lesion.”

“The horse is 100 per cent fine and is working really well. I’m still focused on getting him into the Melbourne Cup and think he can run really well,” Moody said.

Nickajack Cave is a $51 chance in Cup betting. Both he and Dashing Willoughby will have further vet checks next Thursday.

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Anyone heard anything re this?
From the replies to his tweet many suggesting 
it’s Tiger Moth who he talking about? 

If anyone knows what horse it is and any truth
to it please share. Would be huge news if it was the 
$5.50 Melb Cup favourite!

From Bruce Clark
@snowyclark on Twitter 

So with all the focus on Cox Plate runners right now and obviously so, is there any information on a key Melbourne Cup runner under similar @RacingInsider veterinary scrutiny with nerve blocking and scintigraphy part of that process?
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Originally posted by TJMitchell TJMitchell wrote:

Prince Of Arran anyone?

BIGTIME  TJ

He ran straight as an arrow in the Caulfield Cup and really ran through the line.

I think this is a far weaker Cup this year, than the past 2 cups he ran a place in

I honestly believe Prince of Arran will be under a tight hold at the 400 and kick away to win easily.
We have not seen a big margin win in the Cup for a while, I think it will be this year.
And it will be Prince of Arran by 3 to 5 lengths.
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Far weaker Cup? Verry Elleegant could be one of best mares we've see.
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Originally posted by Pardon_My_Dust Pardon_My_Dust wrote:

Far weaker Cup? Verry Elleegant could be one of best mares we've see.

I think the depth is being questioned in terms of "far weaker Cup"
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Redemption has Biden and Prince of Arran winning by a landslide. Calm down fella.
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Did anyone check out the run on Mugatoo in the Cox Plate? Myyyyy goodness the only horse off the track the whole way made it's run with the second horse widest of all still held on for fourth beaten a couple of lengths. That's as good a Melbourne Cup trial as I've seen this Spring including VE in the Caulfield Cup. 60/1 thank you verry much.
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Gets a run PMD?
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Mugatoo was a very, very good run in the Cox Plate.  I was amazed he made the field to be honest, but absolutely justified his selection.

But the reason Kris Lees ran him in the Cox Plate, rather than the Caulfield Cup is that he doesn’t think he really runs out a strong 2400m.  So if connections have faith in Kris’s judgment as a horse trainer, he’d be headed to the Mackinnon in 2 weeks, not the marathon 3200m of the Cup.  Maybe even head to the paddock now.
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Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Mugatoo was a very, very good run in the Cox Plate.  I was amazed he made the field to be honest, but absolutely justified his selection.

But the reason Kris Lees ran him in the Cox Plate, rather than the Caulfield Cup is that he doesn’t think he really runs out a strong 2400m.  So if connections have faith in Kris’s judgment as a horse trainer, he’d be headed to the Mackinnon in 2 weeks, not the marathon 3200m of the Cup.  Maybe even head to the paddock now.

If none of their other runners are going to make the field they'd be crazy not to run him.


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Originally posted by TJMitchell TJMitchell wrote:

Gets a run PMD?

If it wants to yes. But do they run it?

It's won over 2922m FWIW.
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Originally posted by TJMitchell TJMitchell wrote:

Gets a run PMD?
Currently 28th in the order of entry & with the Hotham winner still to come.

Who above Mugatoo are not going to pay up 3rd acceptances on Monday?

Toffee Tongue is confirmed as not running, but apart from her maybe Buckhurst & Dashing Willoughby.  Can’t see too many others dropping out (barring injury).

Might be touch & go to make the final 24.  But will be clearer on Monday.

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Mirage Dancer is another surprisingly not going there.


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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Mirage Dancer is another surprisingly not going there.
Ok, hadn’t thought about Mirage Dancer (he’s better off going to the Sandown Classic anyways as 2400m specialist).  But that will at least get Mugatoo edging closer to the top 24. 
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True Self is no chance so I’d hope they wouldn’t waste anyone’s time in keeping someone else out. 
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How do we see the Cox Plate influencing the cup?

Master Of Wine not going well enough.

Mugatoo is a 2000m horse. No hope in a cup.

Sir Dragonet still going there, and as Boss said he was just warming up. He probably needs a wet track to win although Verry Elleegant loves those conditions as well.

Russian Camelot has to be a good hope. I am starting to wonder however if his best is when he has his runs spaced. 

Along with the Moonee Valley Gold Cup today, not sure we saw the cup winner today.  
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Hi there guys: 
In your guys opinions will Russian Camelot grow another leg going around Flemington?. 
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I reckon he'll settle a little bit better Cotto, and really appreciate the bigger track.
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How strong is that English Derby form, Cox Plate winner starts favourite and runs 5th and runner up in the Caulfield  Cup wins that Derby.
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That particular Derby is considered slightly below standard in the UK.

THe horse that ran last, Telecaster might turn out the best horse out of the rac.


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Once again it shows the depth and quality in numbers in Europe for races at 2000m+. Europe is the domain for rsces at those distances.


Edited by Gay3 - 25 Oct 2020 at 5:31pm
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Shawy38 - I'm glad ??????????????
Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Jamal, you're as bad as maccamax with his constant repeat posts re. 'the flu'' Angry
We know, we all accept the fact! Please add some interesting posts instead of the incessant "euros at 2000mts are superior to ours", it's got way past boring Disapprove

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It must mean a local bred will win the Cup !
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