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Afros
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Given he is all but guaranteed a run, I reckon they'll press on and run in it, provided the horse is healthy and will probably look to defend his Sandown Cup after that. Can he win? Most likely not, but given he only has to run 12th to get a cheque for $160k, he doesn't have to do all that much to get a return.
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Shawy38
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$101 to finish 12th off todays run
He will get lapped
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Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing
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Afros
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Snowden has been saying he is a Melbourne Cup hope for years, I think he'll run him if he gets a spot regardless, plus he's not going any worse than Johnny Get Angry or Explosive Jack.
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Jamal
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Afros - unless Carif is genuinely looking for the 3200m??? As I said earlier he wasn't ridden too well..was second last in running. Didn't finish the race off well.....probably can't carry weight either - 59kg he had.
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Afros
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He was to far back (I think he's best suited just off the speed) and he did have a big weight but he was still very plain.
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kavg
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Jamal, the horse is simply not good enough. Too much Cummings breeding. You don't get beaten that easily because of a less than perfect ride or weight. Was simply not good enough.
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speedingaway
Champion Joined: 03 Jan 2009 Location: Carlton Status: Offline Points: 632 |
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Honestly wouldn't be surprised if he ran top ten. I think he's better the Melbourne way, drops down in the weights, rock hard fit, runs two miles. No chance of winning, but usually a rank outsider runs a cheeky race in the Cup and he could be it.
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Jamal
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Too much Cummings breeding? Didnhe breed the horse?
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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early4lunch
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He would make a nice jumper
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Lord Hybrow
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Cracking run 1st up today in the Civic Stakes.
I suppose he’ll follow the well trodden path to something like the Metropolitan Hcp in the Spring.
I do tend to think the horse could do with a change of stable though, transferred to a yard that is a bit more adept as campaigning stayers. Ciaron Maher, Danny O’Brien, Paddy Payne or Anabel could rejuvenate his career. |
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Jamal
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Id like to see him with Danny O'Brien. But is it too late in terms of ability? Has he reached his ceiling?
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speedingaway
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He had a couple of issues in the spring - today's run was an indication he's back in good nick
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Afros
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The Snowdens are talking about another shot at the Melbourne Cup with him, surely they jest?
Working toward the Metrop probably isn't a bad idea, he may be able to fluke a win in that race, if he were mine I'd be thinking of races like the St Leger at Randwick, the Queen Elizabeth at Flemington on the final day and the Sandown Cup. If he were mine that's what I'd do anyway, a shot at the Metrop just to show you he isn't up to the top level and ultimately land him in the Sandown Cup with the Adelaide Cup the target in the autumn.
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djebel
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If he earns a spot in the Cup than they should go for it.
His rating is too low at the moment so if he gets in than he'd have to be in form. Go for it.
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reductio ad absurdum
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djebel
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I wonder if it was always the plan to go 6 weeks between runs and a step up in trip. I like it.
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reductio ad absurdum
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Carioca
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Early doors yet , so no rush , but a tweak in prep. to keep the old boy happy might be the ploy .
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Foxseal
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Don’t give the Snowden’s too much credit as that definitely wasn’t their plan. He was due to race over 1500m at the washed out meeting 2 weeks ago. So the routine 2 weeks between races prep would have been their ‘plan’. And we’ll likely see him again in 2 weeks in the Premiers Cup 2000m on 20th Aug and then again 2 weeks later in the City Tattersalls Cup 2400m.
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VOYAGER
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All that does Foxy is it tells everyone that they can not get a stayer fit by just training them correctly.
I would have loved to see him stabled with Maher/Eustace but that bird has flown about two seasons ago. I know djebel goes on about it but he should not even be running at anything below 2000m at any run of his preparation EVER! No doubt he is his own worst enemy during his races, but he is one horse who we can definitively say did not reach their potential, due to issues beyond his control!
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Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise
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Jamal
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Danny O'Brien would of been a good choice too
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Second Chance
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Well back today at any old price, but probably not wound up and certainly ran in a race well short of his optimum distance.
That said I couldn't have him in any serious stakes events this Spring.
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Lord Hybrow
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Pass mark 2nd up at an unsuitably short trip. But he’s not getting any younger and unlikely to be as good as his 4yo & 5yo seasons.
He could still jag placings in races like the Colin Stephen Qlty or Newcastle Cup. Or if the Snowdens thought outside the box a race like the RM Ansett Classic at Mornington. G3-Listed grade is his caper at best these days.
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Afros
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I agree, he's not a Melbourne Cup horse. If they want to have one last throw at a G1 with him then the Metrop is the race to try but if he were mine I'd be aiming at the Sandown Cup, space his runs and try pick off a few of those lower level G3/listed staying events on the way.
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Lord Hybrow
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Welcome return to form today in the Newcastle Gold Cup, was rolling along upfront & although no match for Durston, he stuck on bravely for 2nd
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Jamal
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Backed Carif for the place ($9) and he ran well. Good to see.
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VOYAGER
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Be careful Lordy.
He does actually have a very good record at Newcastle so I need to see him back that up away from that track.
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Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise
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Afros
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If he were mine, he'd be going to these Listed staying races, he's very much not up to the top level or even slightly below that in the Metrop, the "last chance saloon" races like the Bart Cummings will be to hot for him as well.
Listed Qld Cup over 2400 at Eagle Farm on October 8 would look a good next start for mine, ultimate target the Sandown Cup.
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Jamal
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Saw on Twitter that Carif has been retired.
Only won once at stakes level - Listed Sandown Cup (3200m). He was also placed at Group level 7 times. 47 starts in career for 3 wins, 9 2nds and 1 3rd. He won $804,035 in prize money. Perhaps one of his better performances was when he ran 2nd in the 2022 Group 3 Newcastle Cup at 2300m earlier this year on the 16th of September - the winner of that race was Durston who would go on to win the Group 1 Caulfield Cup (2400m) in October.
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Afros
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Surpised they didn't consider a shot at the Sandown Cup before retiring, his best, however limited that is, seemed to be over a longer distance at that level, of course being a previous winner of that race, albeit at Sandown.
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Jamal
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We will never know if he would of had a better career if he was at another stable.
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Afros
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Suspect, given his breeding, that they will have some regrets about the decision to geld. He could surely have found a home somewhere at stud.
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