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furious
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Didn't she have Desert War also? He was a fav of mine back in the day. Yes you have to include Grand Armee and Pierro.
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Shawy38
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Seven-time Group 1 winning superstar Alligator Blood has sustained a serious injury, is out for the autumn carnival and faces an uncertain racing future.
Co-trainer Adrian Bott confirmed to Punters that the freak galloper had been diagnosed with a pastern injury following a trial at Rosehill last week. Alligator Blood had been set to resume in the Group 1 Orr Stakes at Caulfield next month and was to target other elite races such as the Futurity Stakes and All-Star Mile before returning to Sydney where the options included the rich Queen Elizabeth Stakes. MORE TO COME... |
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Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing
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Plastic letters
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What a warhorse
Luv seeing those older WFA horse who just keep winning
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Tlazolteotl
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Than AG
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Tlazolteotl
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I think Pierro and Grand Armee were better.
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An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.
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djebel
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Is he the 2nd best horse Gai has trained ? More Joyous I would have as her best.
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reductio ad absurdum
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kiwi88
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They still think he is a 2000m horse?
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Gay3
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Cox Plate-bound star Alligator Blood is up and running early in his spring campaign with the multiple G1 winner impressive in winning a 900-metre trial at Randwick on Friday. A little more than a month out from his first-up assignment in the $1 million G1 Memsie Stakes (1400m) at Caulfield, Tim Clark guided Alligator Blood through the trial where he beat the multiple group performer Queen Of The Ball. Alligator Blood’s trial effort was in direct contrast to the trial he put in when beginning his autumn campaign at Geelong when he finished an underwhelming fifth in a January trial behind I’m Thunderstruck. It was considered a lacklustre effort at the time, but one that was quickly forgotten when the horse went to Sandown to win the G1 Futurity Stakes (1400m) first-up. The Gai Waterhouse and Adrian Bott stable have announced that Alligator Blood is likely to campaign exclusively in Melbourne this spring on his way to a second attempt at the Cox Plate after a tiring fifth placing last year. He is expected to follow the Memsie Stakes with a run in the G1 Makybe Diva Stakes (1600m) at Flemington before a shot at the G1 Turnbull Stakes (2000m) at Flemington as his final lead-in run to the Cox Plate. |
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Bonjour
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I wish we had of found Ben instead of the effen cowboy vet who destroyed our lovely filly with his gung ho behaviour......
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Ben Ahearn is a great vet who could practice anywhere in Australia. Exceptional understanding of racehorses and a gentleman to boot
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“Gambling has brought our family closer together. We had to move to a smaller house.”
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Gay3
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Vet who saved Alligator Blood's career reveals allAs Alligator Blood shoots for his biggest racing payday, the vet who saved the career of the cult hero horse has laid bare the incredible 90-minute procedure which helped transform him into an elite racing superstar. The ‘Gator is now a five-time Group 1 winner but it could have been curtains for his career several years ago when his form nosedived after a spectacular three-year-old season. He was diagnosed with a "kissing spine" condition and Dr Ben Ahern went to work at the University of Queensland Equine Specialist Hospital in Gatton. "This sort of back surgery might have been a bit unusual in Australia not so long ago, but it is one of the few surgeries where you can completely fix something and it doesn't deteriorate or get worse as you get older," Dr Ahern said. "If you take a chip of bone out of a knee, you are still going to get arthritis because you have other consequences. "With the kissing spine surgery, we made the space bigger between Alligator Blood's bones. "Before that, it had been restricting this horse's ability to flex and extend which is required to gallop. "It was an issue because a bone was rubbing against another bone and causing pain, so when the horse wanted to extend he didn't stretch out." Alligator Blood is the dominant $2.80 favourite for Saturday's $5m All-Star Mile at The Valley which offers the winner an extraordinary $2.25m payday. The Gai Waterhouse and Adrian Bott-trained excitement machine goes into the All-Star Mile having won Group 1s at his last two starts and is rated the second best horse in Australia. Alligator Blood was ranked the 10th best horse in the world in the recently announced 2023 Longines World's Best Racehorse rankings – and Anamoe was the only Australian horse above him on the list. Ahern played the major role in Alligator Blood's rejuvenation but he can't say he is surprised at the gelding's astonishing success since. He paid credit to Alligator Blood's trainers along the journey – including Waterhouse and Bott – for following a management regime to allow the star horse to show his best. "In horses as with humans, it's very common that one major thing can have three or four other smaller issues, it can alter the way the horse moves so they can tend to get other soreness," Ahern said. "But hats off to the owners and trainers he's had over the years for really looking after him. "He had a fairly big spell there at one point and that was really key in allowing the horse to develop and adapt to altered exercise programs. "I know a bunch of people who would have gone ‘this is too hard', but they persisted with this horse." Ahern will be cheering from afar when Alligator Blood races for the giant prize on Saturday, taking a special interest in the horse he helped bring back to his devastating best. "This horse had an original vet who looked after him and we text each other when he is running and I also get messages from the owners and everyone who is involved with him," Ahern said. "It's cool to see an elite athlete in any discipline return so well from surgery and to have played a small role with Alligator Blood is very cool. "I enjoy working with horses who have ability and I can help unlock that ability." Saturday's race will be an emotional moment for Alligator Blood's former owner Allan Endresz who, at the All-Star Mile three years ago, was told his wife Joy had only months to live.
Joy Endresz bravely fought her cancer battle until last year when she passed away a day after Alligator Blood won the Group 1 Stradbroke Handicap in Queensland. |
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Take2
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however in all other professional fields, and in the workplace, all stakeholders have a right to be heard, grievances noted and investigated if warranted, and have dispute reolution procedures in place that consider all stakeholders it is called accountability, and at present accounability in racing only extend to jockeys and trainers, owners are rarely held accountable at present except at the tail end via the hip pocket i am not saying i agree or disagree with anyone involved directly in the subject this present discussion, but if managed correctly i feel that it could all be sorted on the day of the initial hearings, with owners voicing their opinion if warranted, and being present "in camera" ?, could maybe act in the same way jockeys and or trainers do now, and ask questions etc, at present i dont think that is available to owners, many many owners are right up to speed on animal welfare, racing rules and regs and nuances, etc, to be able to converse on level terms with others invoved in enquiries
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change is simply a destination on a journey reached by taking the first step (i said that) lol
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SUPREME COURT RULING IN ALLIGATOR CASE OPENS CAN OF WORMS THE shock Supreme Court ruling in the Alligator Blood case has opened a can of worms that arguably no jurisdiction in Australia will be able to manage. Archie Butterfly on his subscriber-only website peterprofit.com has examined the ramifications for racing of the decision of Justice Martin Burns when he voided ‘The Alligator’s’ Magic Millions disqualification. Archie wrote: ‘IT may not be too much of a stretch to say it could shake up the racing world, or at least the Australian racing industry. Justice Burns laid down his decision in 13 pages but it was really a pure and simple one with little confusing legalese. He made no comments about the stewards alleging a prohibited substance was in Alligator Blood’s system on Magic Millions day. Rather he ruled that Allen Endresz and the other owners at the time were denied procedural fairness as they were never heard by stewards or had the opportunity to challenge the finding or make submissions. Think about this and what it could mean. COULD an owner who wasn’t allowed into a protest hearing where their horse was demoted now take legal action with a decent prospect of success? COULD any owner who wasn’t invited by stewards into any sort of hearing now head to the courts and overturn the stipes’ call? COULD we now even see situations where punters could dispute racing decisions in the courts? AND what about insurance companies and breeding giants who have major business in racing? The Supreme Court has now given owners enhanced access to a racing integrity system where everyone can now potentially be heard on a level playing field. The voice of a trainer or a jockey is now not necessarily more powerful than that of an owner regarding major decisions stemming from race days. It represents a potentially monumental shift in thinking. Of course, not every owner has deep pockets and legal connections like Endresz. But the benchmark has now been set, pending a potential appeal from either Racing Queensland or the Queensland Racing Integrity Commission (or both). Without owners there would be no racing. For a long time they have arguably been the most marginalised and unheard segment of the racing industry. In the make of the landmark Alligator Blood decision, News Corp understands that several high profile owners are consulting legal eagles in regard to disqualifications of horses going back years. It will be fascinating to see where it all ends up. You would think Racing Australia would have a major role to play in the matter. But racing Australia ain’t an Alligator – it’s a toothless tiger!’ |
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linghi11
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Should all rules of racing usurp actual laws though? Plenty of successfully contested contracts out there
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ExceedAndExcel
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Has there ever been a more unlikeable person in racing? The guy is a total A-grader.
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This owner uses terms like abuse of power and arbitrary decisions.
This is why owners of racehorses should have to go through licensing procedures, such as looking at the rules of ownership. The stewards are the enforcement arm of the racing industry and the tribunals are the legal system. There is no abuse of power or arbitrary decisions, if your horse is presented at a race track with drugs in it's system, it is either not allowed to run or disqualified, that is a rule, a legal rule. If your horse is presented at a race track with drugs in it's system then as an owner you seek compensation from the ones responsible, the trainer or stable. It is a similar story to the one with Gai when they blocked her license. That was the rule, the stewards were following the rule, which was challenged in court and found to be discriminatory, and then the rule was abolished. The reason there was a rule in the first place is back in the day when trainers were outed the brothers name was in the race book but the disqualified trainer was still in charge. TJ and Ernie did this several times. The stewards and racing administrators need to ask the state governments to clarify their authority because if this decision is to be carried into the future then what we will have is all protests and all disqualifications will end up in court, and that means chaos. |
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Bonjour
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Ditto Linghi, Ditto.
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linghi11
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Whatever you may think of it, Djebel, it’s still one of the most serious court decisions with regards to racing - I’m surprised it has not been addressed
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djebel
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reductio ad absurdum
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djebel
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reductio ad absurdum
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Take2
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whilst those that shouldn't, and know better, continue to forget the duty of care each owes to another in every sphere of life. let alone business and or financial dealings, this will go on forever.
This was just a matter of time, and the writing is on the wall for sporting jurisdictions that allow betting on their product, with little or no recourse by punters or clubs/entities or stakeholders (in this case owners) when decisions go against and judgements are made that impact others That doesn't mean to say that decisions should not go for or against those affected, just offers an avenue that should be respected as a way of making an enlightened and informed decision squeaky clean is the way, rules laws obligations and responsibilities and accountabilities, laid out in plain english etc, without the legal mumbo jumbo, that way everyone knows their rights and limitations, in the eyes of the judiciary of said organisations or their peers
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change is simply a destination on a journey reached by taking the first step (i said that) lol
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djebel
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They can feel hard done by because they were not heard at a hearing. Them being heard at a hearing will not change the end result, unless they are going pursue it through the courts as Allan Andresz has indicated he will do whether he is heard or not.
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reductio ad absurdum
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djebel
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reductio ad absurdum
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linghi11
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So where to now… crickets from the administrators. There’d be a fair few owners feeling like they’d been hard done by
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acacia alba
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Correct procedure must be followed on race day too. IE. No drugs in the system. Thats an unfair advantage for the other owners of the horses he raced against.
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animals before people.
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djebel
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Correct procedure must be followed.
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reductio ad absurdum
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Second Chance
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F*cking disgrace, irrespective of what an owner might offer? A positive is just that and irrespective of the circumstances a disqualification must surely occur.
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djebel
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No. The governing body simply makes sure the owners get heard. It's a nonsense but that will be the way it is, Unless it overturned on any other appeals.
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reductio ad absurdum
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djebel
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Judge Burns has been a prick. That said, simply clean up the sport and allow owners the right to be heard. Basically that is what will have to happen from here on in. Apart from this case some from the past maybe, it will make very little difference to future results.
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reductio ad absurdum
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Second Chance
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Haven't read the entire finding.
But a proven positive to a prohibited drug in a horse's system on race-day or within a certain period prior to same apparently no longer necessarily leads to a disqualification of the horse concerned? |
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