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Washington Post poll: Just 55% of Republicans approve of the way that *Republicans* have handled impeachment so far while 36% disapprove.
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What does Rasmussen say?
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An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.
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Trump 55% approval and rising, according to Donald.
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20% approval of impeachment by Republicans is really significant.
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If Trump went who would be the Republican candidate next year?
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I would think Romney/Hayley or Hayley/Romney would be a prominent ticket. Someone seen as not having anything to do with Trump. Nikki Hayley was UN Ambassador but was seen as leaving as the wheels started falling off with her integrity intact. Romney is getting on but is seen as old style traditional Republican.
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Bad luck pt. Another broken dream.....
Donald Trump impeachment probe unconstitutional, White House saysPosted 17 minutes ago The White House has officially refused to cooperate in the impeachment inquiry launched by Democrats targeting US President Donald Trump, saying it was "constitutionally invalid". The comments were made in a letter signed by White House counsel Pat Cipollone and sent to House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the top US Democrat, and the Democratic chairs of the House intelligence, foreign affairs and oversight committees. The inquiry was started amid accusations from a government whistleblower that Mr Trump sought Ukraine's help in investigating Democratic rival Joe Biden. Mr Cipollone wrote in the letter that the inquiry had progressed in a "manner that violates fundamental fairness and constitutionally mandated due process", and "lacks any legitimate constitutional foundation". The White House argued that the three other impeachment inquiries in American history, against presidents Andrew Johnson, Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton, all included House votes, and that this should serve as precedent for the impeachment of Mr Trump. More to come. |
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What, the defendant claiming the investigation is illegitimate?
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Here is what Mother Jones thinks of the strategy Isaac. PS, they are right. Nixon is rolling in his grave today lamenting that he just didn't turn up for impeachment. |
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El Presidente for life Trump will use his unlimited privilege to declare a national emergency and call off the 2020 election.
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Hadn't thought of that but a scary prospect and quite possible with the megalomaniac, tyrannical madman
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The Republican Senators Most Likely
to Turn on Trump
Yes, they’ve all been big fraidy-cats.
But as evidence mounts, some GOP senators will say publicly what many of them
think privately. Here are the most likely candidates.
Matt Lewis
Updated 10.09.19 5:00AM ET Conventional wisdom holds that the House will impeach Donald
Trump, but impeachment dies in the Senate. But as evidence for impeachment
mounts (the recent developments about China and Syria are important), and as
Trump continues to spiral out of control rhetorically, I’ve started believing
there is at least a chance that 20 of the 53 Republican senators could vote to
convict. It’s easy to imagine the first defector. It’s Mitt Romney,
of course, who has already been outspoken about Trump’s behavior. Breaking the
seal, so to speak, is vital. As Michael Tomasky writes, “Romney…
might embolden a few of his Senate colleagues whose desertion from the Trump
ranks will make a difference. In fact, that may be a job, persuading
other Republicans to speak out, that only he can do.” Someone has to jump into the freezing swimming pool first,
and that job probably belongs to Romney. Then, if it looks like the pool is
warmer than suspected, others may take the plunge. Among the most likely is Maine’s Susan Collins—whose past
support for Brett Kavanaugh damaged her standing as a moderate. Collins
recently said that Trump made a “big mistake” by asking China to
investigate Joe Biden. She’s up for re-election in a state where Trump isn’t
popular. As such, her joining Romney wouldn’t surprise people, and wouldn’t
turn many heads. For most Republicans up in 2020, though, the calculation is
much dicier. If they appear to be too close to Trump, they can write off a lot
of educated suburban voters. But if they vote to impeach, it will depress their
rural base. For them (I’m thinking here of Colorado’s Cory Gardner, Thom Tillis
of Tennessee, and Arizona’s Martha McSally) the decision will probably come
down to a cost-benefit analysis that will be made as late in the game as
possible. Because these names constitute the senators who are obvious
concerns for Trump, the more interesting ones (to me, at least) are the
senators who might constitute a second or third wave of defectors. This got me
thinking: Which five GOP senators might break ranks, and who would really
matter? Here are five names I’ll be watching: 1. Lamar Alexander of
Tennessee. There are two reasons Alexander
might vote to impeach: because it fits his personality; and he’s not running
for re-election. As National
Journal’s Josh Kraushaar put it concisely, “Alexander, who began his
career working for Sen. Howard Baker on the Senate Watergate Committee, is an
institutionalist who has more freely criticized the president since his
retirement announcement.” 2. Lisa Murkowski of Alaska. Murkowski has essentially said that she wants to see how
this all develops, but one factor makes her a wild card: She doesn’t need the
Republican Party. Anyone who can lose a Republican primary only to go on to win
a write-in campaign, as Murkowski did in 2010, doesn’t need to worry about
ruffling partisan feathers. Winston Churchill’s line about being shot at with
no effect rings true. Murkowski is a free agent, and that is both exhilarating
and liberating. 3. Mike Lee of Utah. Lee’s commitment to the Founding Fathers and the
Constitution makes him a threat to Trump on principle. Lee also benefits from
the fact that he hails from Utah, a state that is culturally less Trumpy than
most red states. If Mitt Romney votes to impeach (and if he doesn’t this is
probably all a moot point) that would provide Lee, who is up for re-election—if
he chooses to run again—with additional cover. 4. Jerry Moran of Kansas. He’s a moderate sort of guy who, like Alexander, is
retiring. For now, Moran is critical of Nancy Pelosi’s “rush to judgment,” but things can
change. 5. Rob Portman of Ohio. Like Moran, Portman is not currently for impeachment.
Still, Portman has said, “The president
should not have raised the Biden issue on that call, period. It’s not
appropriate for a president to engage a foreign government in an investigation
of a political opponent.” These are pretty strong words. Potrman has had a
serious career, which includes serving as United States Trade Representative
and Director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB). If this seems like a boring list, that’s not an accident.
The 80/20 rule applies to the U.S. Senate, which is to say that 20 percent of
the senators get 80 percent of the media attention (and vice versa). Lindsey
Graham, for example, punches way above his weight. Someone like Chuck Grassley,
although very powerful, doesn’t get nearly as much press attention, especially
now that he’s handed the important Judiciary Committee off to Graham. And it is when you start looking to some of these
lesser-known names that you begin to unearth the potential for Republicans to
hit double digits on impeachment. While the show horses tend to gravitate
toward Trump, the workhorses tend to be less enamored. If Jeff Flake is correct in saying that at least 35 senators
would vote for impeachment if the vote was held in private, then it stands to
reason that senators who are insulated from re-election concerns (not up for
re-election in 2020, or safe in their incumbency) are more likely to
demonstrate courage. What this list demonstrates is that this number is much
bigger than you probably think. “Somebody has to go first and prove he or she
can survive.” And I didn’t even mention names like Mike Enzi (who is
retiring), Pat Toomey, or Roy Blunt—names that could potentially constitute a
third wave of defectors. Or how about Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman
Richard Burr of North Carolina? This gets us to double digits. Likewise, Marco Rubio and Ben Sasse have been excluded based
on their recent political cowardice. But if the winds start to blow in a
different direction, it’s possible their principle might reassert itself.
Rubio, for example, is outspokenly opposed to Trump’s abandonment of the Kurds in
Syria. And Sasse has recently been critical of Trump’s
dealings with China. If this happens, Trump has entered the danger zone, and the
countdown goes from “Just 3 Republicans will vote to remove him” to “Just X
More Republicans are needed…” Of course, one of the biggest problems this whole gambit
will confront is that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is not similarly
liberated. For one thing, he’s on the ballot in 2020 (he’s already raising money by vowing to stop impeachment). The bottom line is that getting 20 Republicans to vote for
removal is a very high hurdle. On the other hand, more Republicans might be
willing to vote for removal than most people imagine. Somebody has to go first, and prove he or she can survive.
That greases the skids, creates momentum, and emboldens other would-be heroes.
There’s safety in numbers, too, which is why Trump will work hard to prevent
this sort of momentum. An idea: What if 10 of them all came
out at once and acted as a group? That would be awesome, but this kind of thing
only happens in movies. Probably. https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-republican-senators-most-likely-to-turn-on-trump?ref=scroll |
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Hey Isaac, did you see this today. Trump and Pompeo ordered Ms Yovanovitch to not testify. She said ''sorry traitors, I have a duty to the country'' |
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Nancy is ready to move to the next phase of the process, taking away another Republican talking point. Gee at this rate they will have to start defending Trump's crimes. |
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Welcome back Shammy. You probably aren't aware of this, being preoccupied with Sean and Hillary's emails and Tucker and his sex crazed chimps, but a judge gave Trump a spanking last week declaring they had to be kidding. It is getting real Shammy. |
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Shammy, has news reached Fox yet that Hillary has been EXONERATED by Trump's own State Department investigation into her emails? No case to answer. |
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This will be bad. A National Security official in the room who heard the phone calls first hand and reported them to lawyers at the time, defying WH to testify tomorrow.
A WH national security official to tell congress on Tuesday he heard Trump appeal to Ukraine’s president to investigate his leading political rival, a request the aide considered so damaging to American interests that he reported: |
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And what legal status will that guy's gossip have?
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Just read the link. Lol.
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Press ReleasesFour Chairs Statement on Resolution for Open Hearings on Trump’s Abuse of PowerWashington, DC – Today, Rep. Adam B. Schiff, the Chairman of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Rep. Jerrold Nadler, the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Rep. Eliot L. Engel, the Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Affairs, and Rep. Carolyn Maloney, the Acting Chairwoman of the Committee on Oversight and Reform, issued the following statement: “The House impeachment inquiry has collected extensive evidence and testimony, and soon the American people will hear from witnesses in an open setting. The resolution introduced today in the House Rules Committee will provide that pathway forward. “The resolution provides rules for the format of open hearings in the House Intelligence Committee, including staff-led questioning of witnesses, and it authorizes the public release of deposition transcripts. “The resolution also establishes procedures for the transfer of evidence to the Judiciary Committee as it considers potential articles of impeachment, and it sets forth due process rights for the President and his Counsel in the Judiciary Committee proceedings. “The evidence we have already collected paints the picture of a President who abused his power by using multiple levers of government to press a foreign country to interfere in the 2020 election. Following in the footsteps of previous impeachment inquiries, the next phase will move from closed depositions to open hearings where the American people will learn firsthand about the President’s misconduct.” |
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Full text of the resolution, released Tuesday,
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Hey Shammy, what price a Romney/Haley ticket for 2020?
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Democrats will move to the next stage on the impeachment process tomorrow with a formal vote on the way forward. Details will be made public but will include public testimony of witnesses already interviewed as well as a heap more. In the meantime they have put out a very simple yet helpful guide for Trumpkins, most of whom never advanced beyond C at school. They think/hope most can follow this. A = Abuse of power (using office for personal benefit) B = Betrayal of national security (compromising U.S. ally) C = Corruption of U.S. elections |
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Good but they need to present that visually in a 3 panel cartoon.
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Good point. Actually they put out an excellent very high quality video last week about a minute long that outlined the story so far. I think there will be more videos and PowerPoint type presentations, kept as simple as possible.
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Also stuff like this with highlighted and underlined stuff that even they can hardly help but see...should they look at it of course. |
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