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Reading that post if I changed “ if the ALP had a decent leader and spokesperson” to “ if the Liberals....spokesperson” l could say the same about the politics in Victoria.The reference to the coyote in Road Runner I could put Dan and as for the two lackeys I could insert Pakula and Foley in their places to make up the three stooges.

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"Herr Frydenberg"

And you wonder why people of the left get called anti semitic. Why the need for that?
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I wonder whether the Defence Minister can survive this, politically, if this somewhat minor incident in the affairs of the country can throw her into a spin, she is not suitable to handle a real defence emergency.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jujuno Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Feb 2021 at 6:28pm
Originally posted by EnableMe EnableMe wrote:

"Herr Frydenberg"

And you wonder why people of the left get called anti semitic. Why the need for that?

 Herr simply means Mr. 

 my post had nothing whatsoever to do with anti-semitism... 

 perception. Confused

 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Baghdad Bob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Feb 2021 at 7:33pm
Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

Originally posted by EnableMe EnableMe wrote:

"Herr Frydenberg"

And you wonder why people of the left get called anti semitic. Why the need for that?

 Herr simply means Mr. 

 my post had nothing whatsoever to do with anti-semitism... 

 perception. Confused

 

That's a cop out. You know the connection between the use of a German word for Mr. in regard to the holocaust and Frydenberg who is Jewish. Why did you not use Monsieur or Senor ?
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Peter Dutton also found out about the alleged sexual assault before the PM (who says he only found out when it broke in the media). Did anyone in the government not know before the PM?

Three ministers knew about rape allegations but didn’t tell the PM. His office knew but didn’t tell him. It was formally approached about it by the media, but didn’t tell the PM. They backgrounded against the victims partner, but the PM didn’t look into that.

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Originally posted by Baghdad Bob Baghdad Bob wrote:

Originally posted by jujuno jujuno wrote:

Originally posted by EnableMe EnableMe wrote:

"Herr Frydenberg"

And you wonder why people of the left get called anti semitic. Why the need for that?

 Herr simply means Mr. 

 my post had nothing whatsoever to do with anti-semitism... 

 perception. Confused

 

That's a cop out. You know the connection between the use of a German word for Mr. in regard to the holocaust and Frydenberg who is Jewish. Why did you not use Monsieur or Senor ?

 Because Frydenberg is a German name. Simples.

 I don't deal in racism, anti-semitism or any other ism... I have Jewish relatives. Believe me, the comment had nothing to do with nazis. I'd apologise if I thought I offended anyone...but since it was unintentional, I won't. Ouch
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You claim to be a writer and knowledgeable person of the world and think referring to a Jewish person by the term Herr is not perceived correctly as anti semitic? Palpable ignorance at play. The old "I have .... " line never holds water when making racist comments. 

Nobody Jewish believes you. 
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And for the record ( and to dispel the rest of the racist backtracking above ) Josh's mother is a Hungarian Jew and father emigrated from Poland. They are not listed anywhere as German.         
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I'm confused. The AFP chief has written a letter to pollies I gather the gist of it is report crimes quickly. Makes sense ... for the victim to report quickly. But the way it's being reported its for others to report quickly.  Is that what the AFP wants? Report heresay quickly?
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

I'm confused. The AFP chief has written a letter to pollies I gather the gist of it is report crimes quickly. Makes sense ... for the victim to report quickly. But the way it's being reported its for others to report quickly.  Is that what the AFP wants? Report heresay quickly?
I was a bit confused by this, as well. It is an offence not to report a serious crime, but I imagine you would need to be a witness, for that to apply, not just a hearsay reporter.
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"I cannot state strongly enough the importance of timely referrals of allegations of criminal conduct," Commissioner Reece Kershaw said in the letter, first published by news.com.au.

"Failure to report alleged criminal behaviour in this manner, or choosing to communicate or disseminate allegations via other means, such as through the media or third parties, risks prejudicing any subsequent police investigation.

"Any delay in reporting criminal conduct can result in the loss of key evidence, continuation of the offending and/or reoffending by the alleged perpetrator."


Isn't that addressed to Brittany Higgins? The way it is being reported it is addressed to everyone but Brittany Higgins, which seems nonsensical to me. 

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22 March 2019 - Parliament house security found Brittany Higgins passed out on a couch in the defense ministers office partly undressed.

23 March 2019 - Same thing next morning, disoriented and still undressed.(Why wouldn't they have done anything on the 22nd?)

26 March 2019 - Brittany Higgins tells a senior member of the defence ministers staff about the alleged assault.

27 March 2019 - She met with AFP at parliament house

29 March 2019 - Senior staffer above reportedly receives advice from department of finance about how to handle a rape allegation

1 April 2019 - Brittany says she told Linda Reynolds about the alleged assault.

3 April 2019 - This is when the text messages occur suggesting one of the Prime Ministers staff knew

4 April 2019 - AFP and Linda Reynolds meet about this alleged assault


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5 February 2021 - Employment Minister Michaelia Cash finds out about alleged assault

11 February 2021 - Peter Dutton finds out after being briefed by the AFP. He told the PMs office the next day but not the PM himself

12-13 February 2021 - Journalist Samantha Maiden sends questions in writing to the PMs office

15 February 2021 - Samantha Maiden breaks the story, becomes public. This is the date Scott Morrison says he found out.


That means the Defense Minister, the Employment Minister, the Home Affairs Minister, the AFP, the Department of Finance and multiple people in his own office knew about this but not a single one of them told him. 
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This is a clear cut case of a "victim" who thought reporting it would wreck her career, the problem with that is that you are allowing loose cannons to be at liberty. I have known people who had stuff stolen that they did not report to police, saying they weren't insured, they know they will never see it again, thinking only of their own situation, but had it been reported, might have led to a conviction, as evidence accumulated of a pattern of offences.
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So she met with the AFP 5 days after the alleged assault , I wonder what they talked about , was she told to keep her dress down around around her ankles at night in case she catches a cold , or could she have been offered the chance to make an official complaint but was told there could be ramifications down the track meaning losing your job ?
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She wanted to see the CCTV to see what had happened to her, but was denied and was forced into a decision without that knowledge.
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So they were " more than obliging " in their manner to help her , as it was only a " minor thing " I'm sure she was happy with that , thanks PT.
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The reviews by the AFP and Dr Thom shed more light on the handling of the CCTV files at a time when Ms Higgins fears many people saw footage she was not allowed to see.

“I didn’t know that security guards let me into Minister Reynolds’ suite. I didn’t know that a security guard came into the office multiple times seeing me in a state of undress,” Ms Higgins said on Wednesday.

“I didn’t know they were undertaking an internal review into how the matter was handled at the time. I didn’t know that they debated calling an ambulance at the time of the incident.

“A current senior staffer to the Prime Minister and my former chief of staff refused to provide me with access to the CCTV footage from that evening and continually made me feel as if my ongoing employment would be jeopardised if I proceeded any further with the matter.

http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/security-expert-checked-cctv-after-claim-of-parliament-cover-up-20210217-p573hx.html

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Imagine finding someone passed out and partially undressed and not doing anything about it. What kind of scumbag are you.
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Seems like I've thought from the beginning " hung out to dry , then cut adrift " I'm over this shyte , you can't beat the system .
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What I would like to hear is why, if the alleged perpetrator and she were signed into PH by security and escorted to the Minister's office, and he was escorted out without her , was he fired a few days later for a ''security breach'' and she wasn't. He had his card but she didn't. Why wasn't she fired?
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Back in my day we used to ply  girls with booze to lower their inhibitions not get them unconscious.  That would defeat your purpose. There is one common denominator in all the horror stories coming out like the eastern suburbs private school kiddies - blackout drunk girls. Not cool.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

What I would like to hear is why, if the alleged perpetrator and she were signed into PH by security and escorted to the Minister's office, and he was escorted out without her , was he fired a few days later for a ''security breach'' and she wasn't. He had his card but she didn't. Why wasn't she fired?
You would think a security breach would be a red flag for being employed as a " lobbyist " LOLLOL in the Fed. Gov. methinks.
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Australian Federal Police have been notified of a letter sent to Prime Minister Scott Morrison detailing an alleged historical rape by a Cabinet Minister in the federal government.

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Twitter detectives all over this one. Got it narrowed down to 4, some even saying 2, names. Obviously I ain't saying sh1t.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Australian Federal Police have been notified of a letter sent to Prime Minister Scott Morrison detailing an alleged historical rape by a Cabinet Minister in the federal government.


Unfortunately the woman who alleged she was raped in 1988, well before the alleged rapist was in parliament,  committed suicide in 2020 and her death means a criminal investigation into the politician can no longer proceed because the allegation cannot be tested.
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She was also 16 at the time of the alleged incident. Whoever it is, is f'd if their name comes out no matter what
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As we have seen repeatedly on this forum some people are capable of being absolutely certain of things that are absolutely false. That's why I am always uncomfortable with the complaint without evidence of an ancient alleged crime. The only thing that allays my fears somewhat is when the first complainant flushes out many more about the same person.


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Whether it did or it didn't there is a very simple answer for whoever this complaint is about and that is "no, it didn't happen". Not much can be done.
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