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Jamal
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Posted: 09 Mar 2019 at 11:27pm |
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Did well to get 4th. |
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Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Jamal
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A Prince Of Arran runs in the DUBAI CITY OF GOLD GROUP 2 (2400m)...race 5 at Dubai
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Jamal
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Timeform rating for Cross Counter of 125 for Cup win. In comparison to past five Cup winners...
2018 - Cross Counter: 125 2017 - Rekindling: 123 2016 - Almandin: 119 2015: Prince Of Penzance: 117 2014: Protectionist: 128 |
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Prince of Penzance
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Michael Walker booked to ride Arran in HK
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Jamal
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HKJC invited him. We will soon find out |
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stayer
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Doesn't have the turn of foot for that race surely? Is just an honest plugger. |
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SkyDancer
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He weighed out 1 hr before the race at 56.4 (1kg added for vest) Weighed in after the race at 57.0. Was 600 grams over. Allowed to be max of 500 over. Connections said the saddle soaked up water and sweat during the race and that was the likely reason. |
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Jamal
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Racing.com just said that A Prince Of Arran will be running in the G1 Hong Kong Vase
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acacia alba
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That has me confused too . Dont the jocks weigh out before the race ? And if so,,,how did he not register a K over then ?? Or didnt the blokes on the scales notice it ? And if they didnt notice,,,,isnt that their fault ?? How could he weigh out correct, and then be a K over after ???
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animals before people.
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Morston
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Jumps racing is much bigger in the UK. From now until April nearly all racing will be jumps racing...apart from a few all weather flat racing meetings (but becoming more significant)...there will be at least 2 or 3 jumps meetings a day and more at weekends. There will be no more turf flat racing from around now until the new season starts at the end of March Those figures may also include amateur point to point jumps meetings? |
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StormSiren
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Found the figures for the UK to compare. Deaths were taken from animal activist figures so likely higher, though in the UK they have a website which lists each of the horses with dates, tracks etc. For 2010 they had 145 deaths, which worked at 0.15% per starter (around 93,000 runners that year, exact figure is at work). 2011 was around the same mark. In Australia the figure was 0.075% per starter for 2016, calculated off startersagain based off reported deaths (article wasn't sourced so imagine the figure came from either RSPCA or Animals Australia or the Coalition..) and racing australia reported starters (182k). That said, pretty sure jumps racing is bigger in the UK than here.. if you just look at that, the figure jumps to 0.64% per jumps starter for that Australian period.. so daresay that influences the higher overall figure over there.
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Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It.
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djebel
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Considering they had barely travelled 1200m and the was a very safe slow track it can only come down to bad luck. |
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reductio ad absurdum
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Jamal
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Link doesn't work |
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Jessie1234
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https://www.scmp.com/sport/racing/article/2101706/trainer-aidan-obrien-says-drop-distance-suits-cliffs-moher-eclipse
After reading these 2 articles wondering what peoples thought about Cliffs of Om and the distance, and if this was always going to end up a problem , exacerbated by Aust conditions etc
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Jessie1234
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Aidan O'Brien Talks 2018 Prospects _ TDN _ Thoroughbred Daily News _ Horse Racing News, Results and Video _ Thoroughbred Breeding and Auctions.pdf
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Jessie1234
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Thanks Gay ill have a crack .
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Jessie
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niki
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Can you share? ty
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StormSiren
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Never mind, worked it out
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Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It.
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StormSiren
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Anyone know what the breakdown rates over in Europe are like compared to Australia? Wondering whether the raiders have been incredibly unlucky, or if its more common over there. I know a lot is said for firmer tracks over here but curious as to how the figures from here and over there compare.
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Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It.
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Gay3
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You can put up the link or copy/paste both straight into the reply box.
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Jessie1234
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Can someone remind me how to post an attachment i havent used this for years so have forgotten but i am interested in your opinion on an interview with Thoroughbred Daily News ( Europe) with Aidan O'brien about Cliffs of Moher prospects in March this year
Just cant see the atttachment option
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Jessie
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Carioca
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Of course we have ......just a pity they don't stay quick enough, how long before an Ebor winner can return serve in our cup? the English handicapper can't cut the mustard, like I say it's a group horses cup now , still it's interesting subject to ponder over imo. |
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djebel
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Forget New Zealand breeding Mr Carioca we have ample stamina in Australia. However..... |
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reductio ad absurdum
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It was 83,000 |
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Carioca
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No "B" grade UK horses coming over now, the first two home and probably the third have all top group form, Charley Appleby has a great eye to recognise this horse was the perfect fit for our race and being young just like Rekindling they get the perfect weight relief ( that's why their at the top of their game) , the mare Youngstar ran very creditable imo ( at least she beat the Ebor winner home trained by the best in the world lolol) finished under 6 lengths from the winner, the prizemoney is a great inducement for group horse from o/s to continue to come over , I just hope our NZ friends have another Foxbridge , Fairs Fair , Marco Polo Count Rendered or an Alcimedes frolicking in some lush paddock to lift our hopes inwardly and outwardly , until that happens like all good librans I will continue to be a dreamer.
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Summer Regent
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Crowd was 93,000, down 7,000
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anabel
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This is a strange one, as his ride in the race before the Cup also had 55kgs, like Marmelo. So did he ride that one at 55? And if so, why not the next? When did they know he’d be over... surely he weighed out heavy prior to the race? |
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Redemption
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Does anyone know what the crowd attendance figure was yesterday?
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furious
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Tell Tontonan that the winner carries more Australian Melbourne Cup History in his pedigree than some of the Aussie breds. Sometimes what we bring out here also has branches left in Europe especially with the stallions ie Musket. So Counter Cross decends from the family of Musket, Balloch, Beau Pere etc.
Just some of the Melbourne Cup winners with them in the pedigree (Sire or sire of the dam or sire) include Carbine, Dalray, Auraria, Poseidon, Lord Cardigan, Martini Henry, Merriwee, Revenue, Gaulus, The Grafter, Night Watch, Westcourt, The Parisian, Galilee. Placegetters like Trenton (twice), Wakeful, Hava, Beau Vite etc etc. You can take it further into the present ages with the Sunday Silence (also from this family) line Delta Blues winning in 2001. That's a big slice of Melbourne Cup history carrying Cross Counter's damline to success. Only trouble is he's already gelded so no hope of having him carry on this rich history at stud.
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