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Luva Punt
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There is an easy answer. Make the jockey accountable. Increase the fines to $10,000 for every additional strike in breach of the rules. You will see jockeys conforming to the rules immediately. If it doesn't have the desired effect, increase it to $15,000. Suddenly you won't have a problem whatsoever. To start disqualifying horses would penalise punters and owners, which would just make racing more dodgy than it is.
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bradjm
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Its a padded whip fiddlesticks , remove the stupid rule.
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Luva Punt
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The only reason the whip rule is not being adhered to is:
1). The stewards are doing nothing to enforce it. 2). Jockeys are just breaching the rule because the current penalties are just a bandaid measur. It is a no brainer, increase the financial penalties for any jockey who breaches the rules. We won't even be having this discussion if the penalties are far more severe. |
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bradjm
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We won't be having it if we get rid of the dumb rule
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Carioca
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I'm with you mate, I wonder how many races Octagonal would have won without the persuader, and many more top class horse I have seen in my time including Tulloch who at times needed a little reminder, the rules an ass, and they crucify Margaret for her thoughts, go figure! |
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djebel
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What does that mean, "It's a padded whip" ? |
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djebel
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I do agree with this. Although I suspect differently to you. We should have the same rule as they have in Europe and I suspect the US. |
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bradjm
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What do you think it means The new padded whips were introduced in 2009 replacing the conventional whips, to placate idiots that have nothing to do with horses. |
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RED HUNTER
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PADDED WHIP
"DAYDREAM EXPLORER"resents it Go to Kembla race 1 SATURDAY 10 JUNE THE WHIP STILL WORKS FINE |
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Gay3
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I noted Lachie King put the whip away over the last 100m on Savannah Moon y'day at Swan Hill & she did noticably lift to win narrowly, a fact he made mention of in his interview.
Pretty rare to see green kids have the courage to do this but he's had a super grounding & imo, a few more brains than some I see Nikata got time for overuse x 3 prior to the last 100m with her serial offender record landing her the suspension. |
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Carioca
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Good point Gay3 , the young lad has a great tutor if his dad is who I think it may be, there has been a number of times I've seen young jocks hitting a bit low ( flank area) and wondering why they can't " read." the resentment or horses fading while under the whip, the ones that can feel this are either naturals or mature beyond their years, but this should also be shown to the young ones at apprentice school, if anyone had the privilege to watch Geoff Lane , Bill Williamson , or Billy Cook they would understand that having your horse fully balanced and at full stride before the last resort is applied, the debate on the whip rule imo will always cause angst among the racing fraternity, but really it should be back to the apprentice school under the guidance of someone like Darren Gauci.
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3blindmice
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Some years ago prior to the new rules I was on a roughie ew at Sandown. Loomed up over the last furlong and a half but instead of continuing his whip riding, on three occasions his apprentice jockey reverted to hand and heels. Each time he went for the whip the horse visibly surged - something I've rarely seen. Horse went down by a half neck opr so iirc. Jock's intermittent use of the whip undoubtedly meant the diff between winning and losing. That experience is one of the reasons I don't support banning of the whip. Some horses, esp those educated under its use, undoubtedly respond to it.
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djebel
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Sneck
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djebel
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What is their rule ?
They do have the very best hand picked jockeys up there. |
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3blindmice
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Had dismissed that from my memory until Gay's comment djebel but the recollection still irks me somewhat. Fortunately for the jockey I've forgotten both his and the horse's name.
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Sneck
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(3) The Stewards may punish a jockey if in their opinion he has used his whip to excess or in an improper or
inappropriate manner.
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djebel
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I guess they can do that in their environment. As I said they have the best hand picked jockeys up there who know what they and their horses are doing. When I watch footage of old races I cringe at the slather and whack they got away with back in the day. |
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Sneck
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They were doing things the right way back then, if you don't ride like that you fail to give your horse every opportunity to win.
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Carioca
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3blindmice
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Agree djebel and whips were a lot harder then as well. Don't know when it was introduced but we had the overuse rule (think it was something like 'unnecessary use of the whip') for decades and I recall a few jocks being sanctioned for it. It was generally only applied when horses were being continuously belted despite having no hope of finishing in the placings.
I know little about them but would have thought spurs are a bigger issue
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djebel
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I am not talking George Moores day, I am talking more 80s and 90s.
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3blindmice
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Cultural change was necessary and overdue even if the new rule is hit and miss. Most jockeys are far more aware these days and are being trained for every second stride hits, which is a both a worthy skill and a good thing generally speaking.
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Carioca
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djebel
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Give me another 10, it will not bore me Apart from McEvoy riding for Godolphin, who was the last jockey to go to Europe or India to ride for Royalty ? |
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Sneck
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scamanda
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JMac? |
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I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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Carioca
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djebel
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