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Fiddlesticks
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just what exactly has an 'afterlife' got to to with God or not believing in God...surely they can be exclusive of each other..? |
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Panspermia.
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max manewer
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djebel
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I am not a prude but can we get the name of this thread changed. Its not very becoming of the forum if you ask me.
Yes I know nobody asked me.........
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reductio ad absurdum
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subastral
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Why. Is lowlife scumbag too nice?
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djebel
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The reason why is in my post.
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reductio ad absurdum
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Fiddlesticks
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So explain then what this 'event' was that convinced you there is life after death, and please if you can tell us why it's connected to Atheism being wrong... |
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Sneck
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RED HUNTER
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ABBOTT,ABETZ and BERNARDI have donated 5k each,for the cause.
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max manewer
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Why has this thread turned into an argument about religion vs atheism? Maybe because that's what the whole pell scapegoating is really about for the likes of tim minchin? If he cared about the victims and justice being done he wouldn't want any attention seeking stunt from an ignorant lollipop interfering with the process. He's just muddied the water.
I can tell you from experience that yes, pell has a pretty off-putting superiority complex and a detachment from people he considers below his intellect etc, which has kept him living in a bubble for years. It's quite likely that he is innocent of all the accusations being thrown at him. It's a (big) circle of sicko priests who live double lives that should be being investigated, rather than just scapegoating pell. Even the victims have said that. I can also tell you FWIW that he has been very sick for months, not to mention the stress he is under from all of this. I'm not sure what coming to oz would achieve any way? He can give evidence from rome, and probably more effectively. Pell is a bit of a twit, but the real "scumbags" are not being called out. Just my 2 cents. |
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jujuno
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association and covering up paedophilia is no different to being a perpetrator as far as I'm concerned...
Pell deserves everything being slung at him... as does Hollingworth...who, at least, turned up... |
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subastral
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Song is about raising money for the victims to asssit in their cases Stayer and to fly them to Rome. He's not making a cent.
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Passing Through
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Meshel Laurie(principally) and Gorgi Coghlan started a campaign in Ballaratt last week, to raise funds to help send a group of 15 victims to London who wanted to be present at Pell's evidence so that he didn't not have the pressure of victims facing him. Minchin is a friend of Lauries and offered to throw something together quickly if it would help, he being a long time supporter of the victims and the commission. All proceeds go to the GoFundMe program.
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stayer
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Yeah I know that but really, was it the right way to raise money? Will it help or muddy the waters? Will it make it look like pell is a victim of a bandwagon/ mob mentality etc, rather than letting things run their course the right way?
I can understand the victims wanting to be present when he testifies, and I like the idea of using the money to build some kind of healing centre in ballarat, which certainly has an ugly past. Just a couple of points - I remember reading the testimony of a retired priest who was asked if pell had told him "X has been rooting boys again," and, apart from saying that he'd never concelebrated a mass with pell (as the person making the claim said), he said that pell simply didn't speak that way and that he "never had a great relationship with pell" and they only met on social occasions. That's what I was saying above - pell is so aloof that it's quite possible he was living in a bubble and was told nothing. So all the "associating with and covering up" stuff might not be true. Can you see what I mean? Also, it seems to have been glossed over that ridsdale said "I have never said that he bribed me." I really do think pell is being scapegoated, and a lot of creeps who know what really went on are probably laughing. |
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Fiddlesticks
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You're starting to sound like Hollywood now with all this obtuse nonsense, just come out with it, what have you experienced and give the details, we are all adults here, why the cryptic charade..? |
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max manewer
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Fiddlesticks
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message from who..??
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jujuno
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sounds more like aliens..
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oneonesit
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Didn't Houdini smoke ?
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Refer ALP Election Promises
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max manewer
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I can't be sure, fiddles, but the first occurrence was within days of my mother's death. Still continues. In a great variety of manifestations. One one occasion a set of casement windows shook and rattled so violently it seemed certain it must break the glass, I advanced toward the window to see what the hell was there, it stopped abruptly and the curtains swayed noticeably, parallel to the wall. But the windows were intact, and closed. No wind. Inexplicable. This was repeated some months later, with the other set of windows, in the same room. The curtains swayed along the wall, the window was closed. I don't understand the message there either, but in many cases the message has been clear. One night before I had an appointment to have a wisdom tooth extracted, the ache was keeping me awake, half asleep I reached for some aspirin, a smoke alarm in the room then sounded before I could swallow them. The meassage was clear to me, do not take the aspirin ! The pulling of the tooth was problematic, and the bleeding was heavy. It settled down, but started bleeding again at night. I was about to go to hospital I was bleeding so much, when it finally abated. Aspirin is a blood thinner, I'd have finished in hospital for sure if I'd taken the aspirin. Electronic devices emitting their distinctive sounds at uncanny moments, sometimes when not even switched on or connected to power, has occurred many times. Usually when talking to others, and the deceased is mentioned !
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Fiddlesticks
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All probably readily explainable imo... Juno is closer to the mark if you want to talk about other entities.. |
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Panspermia.
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max manewer
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subastral
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Max you do realize some atheists believe in ghosts and souls?
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max manewer
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This ghost appears to have God-like prescience.
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max manewer
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And unlike ghosts, perhaps, appears unconstrained by location, inexplicable occurrences having occurred to others of the family, hundred of kilometres away.
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subastral
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Sorry Max, thats not proof of a god.
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Panspermia.
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