Black Heart Bart

Thanks(0)

Quote

Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 5:08pm

Magnolian Khan wrote:

Jamal wrote:

Another Group 1 for Vic well done BHB, good win

horse is bred in WA (as I have said many times).

Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers

Afros

Champion

Joined: 14 Jan 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 15512

Post Options

Quote Afros

Thanks(0)

Quote

Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 5:49pm

Jamal wrote:

Another Group 1 for WA, well done BHB, good win

The old parochialist strikes again!

Lord Hybrow View Drop Down

Champion

Joined: 05 Jul 2015
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 6683

Post Options

Quote Lord Hybrow

Thanks(1)

Quote

Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 5:56pm

By Blackfriars and 24 of his 32 starts have been in WA.

I'm with Jamal......good on the West Aussie horse.

Second Chance View Drop Down

Champion

Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 45811

Post Options

Quote Second Chance

Thanks(1)

Quote

Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 5:57pm

Realise you're only having as dig Afros, however personally just love Jamal's passion for WA

home-breds. Star

Jamal

Champion

Joined: 25 Jul 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 8684

Post Options

Thanks(0)

Quote

Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 6:09pm

As i have said many many MANY times, if a horse is bred in WA then it is a WESTERN AUSTRALIAN horse. Yes Black Heart Bart may be trained in Victoria but he bred and foaled in WA. Lets get that straight people.

There have been many WA horses that I have used as examples (again done this many many times) that were bred in WA but have run in the east, it still makes them a WA horse. It really is as simple as that.

whitt0

Champion

Joined: 01 Jun 2014
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 10911

Post Options

Thanks(1)

Quote

Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 6:40pm

WA/VIC/BLAH

Was a moral today

vaopoaljsie View Drop Down

Champion

Joined: 17 Apr 2016
Status: Offline
Points: 599

Post Options

Quote vaopoaljsie

Thanks(1)

Quote

Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 6:43pm

I don't care where it comes from, it won end of story

Afros

Champion

Joined: 14 Jan 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 15512

Post Options

Quote Afros

Thanks(0)

Quote

Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 7:32pm

Jamal wrote:

As i have said many many MANY times, if a horse is bred in WA then it is a WESTERN AUSTRALIAN horse. Yes Black Heart Bart may be trained in Victoria but he bred and foaled in WA. Lets get that straight people.

There have been many WA horses that I have used as examples (again done this many many times) that were bred in WA but have run in the east, it still makes them a WA horse. It really is as simple as that.

Yes but you claim everything you can, bred in WA trained elsewhere you claim as WA, trained WA bred elsewhere you claim as WA, I don't mind pride in ones local area but yours is just parochialism at its worst, any slight link to WA and you bang on about how great WA racing is...

Second Chance View Drop Down

Champion

Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 45811

Post Options

Quote Second Chance

Thanks(1)

Quote

Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 7:34pm

Give it a rest Afros. Please.

tillyras

Champion

Joined: 11 Oct 2012
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 7540

Post Options

Quote tillyras

Thanks(0)

Quote

Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 7:34pm

leave Jamal alone, he's a proud perth boy and has every right to be proud of his WA horses

whitt0

Champion

Joined: 01 Jun 2014
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 10911

Post Options

Thanks(0)

Quote

Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 7:39pm

tillyras wrote:

leave Jamal alone, he's a proud perth boy and has every right to be proud of his WA VIC horses

Aurelius

Champion

Joined: 08 Apr 2015
Status: Offline
Points: 4474

Post Options

Thanks(1)

Quote

Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 7:46pm

Black Heart Bart is the Bill Lawry of racing.

A VICTORIAN !!!!

Second Chance View Drop Down

Champion

Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 45811

Post Options

Quote Second Chance

Thanks(0)

Quote

Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 7:47pm

Er, thought Bill was bred and born in Vic. Confused

Aurelius

Champion

Joined: 08 Apr 2015
Status: Offline
Points: 4474

Post Options

Thanks(0)

Quote

Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 7:50pm

He was.

Aurelius

Champion

Joined: 08 Apr 2015
Status: Offline
Points: 4474

Post Options

Thanks(0)

Quote

Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 7:55pm

***News Flash***

It has been reported that Weir has done that great a job and the horse loves Vic so much that they are considering a name change to;

'Black Hart Victorian Bart'

crooked_gambler View Drop Down

Champion

Joined: 27 Jan 2015
Status: Offline
Points: 4676

Post Options

Quote crooked_gambler

Thanks(0)

Quote

Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 7:55pm

Bart Brilliant in Group One Memsie

Western Australian bred and owned star Black Heart Bart added a second win at racing's elite level when he stormed to victory in the Group One Memsie Stakes (1400m) at Caulfield.

A Group One winner over 1200 metres at his previous preparation, Black Heart Bart will now be aimed at the weight-for-age championship of Australasia where he could face Australia's best, Winx.

Black Heart Bart's connections are keen for trainer Darren Weir to aim the gelding at the Cox Plate in October and the master trainer said he would give his latest star every opportunity to get there.

Jockey Brad Rawiller was able to give the popular elect a lovely run in transit and after switching to the outside of runners shortly after straightening the result was never in doubt.

"It couldn't have worked out any better," Rawiller said post-race. "This horse was first up today and he's got a different sort of a preparation this time."

"Wow... when I let him down he was awesome," Rawiller added.

Black Heart Bart, sent out the even money favourite with bookmakers, cruised home to beat Rising Romance ($17) by a length and a quarter, while fellow Magic Millions graduate Mahuta ($8) was brave, finishing third, two and a quarter lengths further back after racing on a hot speed.

"He's been a great horse for the stable," a delighted Darren Weir said. "I've got to thank the owners - Kim and the crew for sending him over to us."

"He's a pretty straight forward horse to train and that's the way he races. He gives his all and it was a great win today."

"The plan was to be either one, one or one, two - he landed in the one, two with the hot speed. He built into it great and I loved the way he went through the line."

"The owners are very keen to go the Cox Plate so we'll follow a path to that. Kim (Renner, part owner) said if you're not happy along the way and you want to deviate, we're happy with that.

A son of champion Western Australian sire Blackfriars, Black Heart Bart is turning out another incredible value buy from the Magic Millions Perth Yearling Sale.

He was offered at the 2012 edition of the auction and was purchased by senior part owner Kim Renner from the draft of Lakeside Thoroughbreds for $20,000.

As it stands his incredible record reads out at 13 wins and 11 placings from just 32 starts and earnings of over $2.28 million.

A winner of the Group One The Goodwood in Adelaide at his last preparation before a gutsy second in the Stradbroke Handicap, Black Heart Bart is one of the country's most talented and consistent gallopers.

He proved his class in Perth early in his career when he won a string of feature races including the Group Two Lee Steere Stakes among eight black type success in his home state.

Black Heart Bart is one of three winners produced by the city winning At Talaq mare Sister Theresa, a winner of six races from 1000 to 2100 metres.

One of her daughters, the unraced Falbrav mare Rebel Sister is the dam of Perth based stakes winners Rebelson and Rebel King.

This space has been intentionally left blank

whitt0

Champion

Joined: 01 Jun 2014
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 10911

Post Options

Thanks(0)

Quote

Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 7:58pm

Aurelius wrote:

***News Flash***

It has been reported that Weir has done that great a job and the horse loves Vic so much that they are considering a name change to;

'Black Hart Victorian Bart'

ha ha - yes. Very good mate.

Definitely a VIC. Best thing from WA = Gina

Aurelius

Champion

Joined: 08 Apr 2015
Status: Offline
Points: 4474

Post Options

Thanks(0)

Quote

Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 8:04pm

Lol.....Rhinebart.

whitt0

Champion

Joined: 01 Jun 2014
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 10911

Post Options

Thanks(0)

Quote

Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 8:05pm

Aurelius wrote:

Lol.....Rhinebart.

Ha ha - thats even better!

I reckon she may even call herself a Victorian!

Jamal

Champion

Joined: 25 Jul 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 8684

Post Options

Thanks(0)

Quote

Posted: 27 Aug 2016 at 8:53pm

Afros wrote:

I'd like you to go and find where it says in writing that I say WA racing is great. I never said that, I'm only saying WA horses, not WA racing, in fact I have said a few time that WA racing is not good but it produces on the odd occasion good horses that goes east.

Afros

Champion

Joined: 14 Jan 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 15512

Post Options

Quote Afros

Thanks(0)

Quote

Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 5:56am

Ok maybe I've overstretched the truth a bit however your parochialism in claiming the slighest link to WA as making a horse a WA horse has become as dull as dishwater! Be it WA bred, trained or even just owned or part owned, as soon as one does well 'over east' it's money back odds you'll be on here within the hour banging on about how good is it to see this WA horse do well...

I find some of your posts interesting (MC winner of the week is always well researched and enjoyable) however the blind parochial claiming of anything you can grab as a WA horse is excruciatingly dull...

Slammington View Drop Down

Champion

Joined: 24 May 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 328

Post Options

Quote Slammington

Thanks(0)

Quote

Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 11:22am

What do you think the programme for BHB ought to be leading to the Cox Plate? I would have thought they would want to try him at WFA over 1600-1800 to see how he goes stretched out in distance. Races like the Makybe Diva, George Main in Sydney or Underwood would probably be the go.

No point going to races like the Toorak as he will be lumped with a massive weight and if beaten you wouldn't know if it was the weight or the trip. As a left field option the George Main wouldn't be a bad play. He gets to go up in trip at WFA and also see if he can handle Winx. Though if not it is hard to see much of a plan B for him because he does not appear to be a pure 1200m sprinter (i.e. Manikato / Darley) and all of the big 1400-1600m races are handicaps.

Cheers

Tlazolteotl View Drop Down

Champion

Joined: 02 Oct 2012
Location: Elephant Butte
Status: Offline
Points: 31448

Post Options

Quote Tlazolteotl

Thanks(0)

Quote

Posted: 28 Aug 2016 at 12:30pm

Slammington wrote:

What do you think the programme for BHB ought to be leading to the Cox Plate? I would have thought they would want to try him at WFA over 1600-1800 to see how he goes stretched out in distance. Races like the Makybe Diva, George Main in Sydney or Underwood would probably be the go.

Cheers

The plan will be to keep him away from Winx if possible so scratch the George Main. He will go Makybe Diva + Underwood + Caulfield Stakes.

Magnolian Khan View Drop Down

Champion

Joined: 23 Dec 2015
Location: SA
Status: Offline
Points: 8437

Post Options

Quote Magnolian Khan

Thanks(0)

Quote

Posted: 10 Sep 2016 at 4:07pm

Magnificent looking beast

JudgeHolden View Drop Down

Champion

Joined: 16 Apr 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 11729

Post Options

Quote JudgeHolden

Thanks(0)

Quote

Posted: 10 Sep 2016 at 4:19pm

Delighted with the result but huge run from Bart. Gee it looked like Ollie went early. Sitting shot.

Sunline

Champion

Joined: 01 Jul 2008
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 22302

Post Options

Quote Sunline

Thanks(0)

Quote

Posted: 10 Sep 2016 at 4:23pm

I was pulling his tail, begging Ollie not to go but I don't think he could help it when Rising Romance flushed him out. He looked to then tow him up to the lead. Race was over when that happened as he was a sitting shot.

Sunline...simply supreme

Jamal

Champion

Joined: 25 Jul 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 8684

Post Options

Thanks(0)

Quote

Posted: 10 Sep 2016 at 4:23pm

JudgeHolden wrote:

Delighted with the result but huge run from Bart. Gee it looked like Ollie went early. Sitting shot.

Yeah I reckon Ollie went a tad too early too, probably should of let BHB rip with 300m but instead let BHB rip with 400m to go.

Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers

Gay3

Moderator Group

Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Location: Miners Rest
Status: Offline
Points: 52012

Post Options

Quote Gay3

Thanks(0)

Quote

Posted: 12 Sep 2016 at 3:08pm

Weir said he had no hesitation in pushing ahead with a Cox Plate campaign with Black Heart Bart despite his loss in the Maybe Diva Stakes (1600m) yesterday at Flemington.

He noted that if stablemate Palentino, who has now won two G1s at Flemington over 1600 metres, wasn’t in the race, Black Heart Bart would have won convincingly and there would be no talk about any distance queries with him.

Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!

crooked_gambler View Drop Down

Champion

Joined: 27 Jan 2015
Status: Offline
Points: 4676

Post Options

Quote crooked_gambler