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Dr E 
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Let's hope Albo is out there making Tony sandwiches this weekend ... but this time his 15 man entourage, makeup artist, hairdresser, script writers and film crew, don't get in the fcuking way again!
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Dr E
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 3:06am |
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He also serves his local community as a Surf Lifesaver Tlaz ... weird i know. What's that fake "conservative" parasite Zalli been up to other than begging for the taxpayers to give her a free Tesla and Solar Panels and squealing about Climate Alarm while people die in fires?
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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oneonesit
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 8:58am |
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I think Zali must be having recriminations taking on & beating Tones. Bit like that ABC bird that beat poor old Johnny Howard. What was her name again - never heard from her since. I think once they actually get in the job they soon realise they are not deserving & put their heads under a grey blanket.
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Passing Through
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 9:02am |
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Being an Independent means she doesn't jostle for a spot at front the trough with the Libs, but I think she is doing ok and if she is a one term officeholder that will bring her a lot of cashed up clients when she returns to her law practice. She will be ok oneone, no need for your generous concern for her.
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Passing Through
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 9:05am |
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A lot of similar anti Zali garbage on Facebook lately, especially this week from the anti science mob. Gotta be careful what you vulnerable easily influenced souls read on there. Best do what millions are doing and deactivate your accounts if you cant work out the lies from the truth. Or maybe you choose to embrace the disinformation?
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oneonesit
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 9:14am |
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There you go -had to Google it - Maxine McKew. She rolled one of the greatest leaders this country has had - & went on to do bugger all in her own political career. Since achieving nothing - all she has done is harpooned the leadership decisions & internal culture of the ALP. Typical. Even jobs for the boys didn't help her.
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Passing Through
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 9:17am |
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Hardly struggling for relevance. McKew works for Social Ventures Australia, advising on education issues,[37][38] and is a Vice Chancellor's Fellow at the University of Melbourne McKew is a long-term participant in the Australian-American Leadership Dialogue, a bipartisan bilateral civil diplomatic initiative founded by Melbourne businessman Phil Scanlan.[43] She also serves as a Distinguished Fellow of the Australia India Institute.[44] Her other activities include membership of the Women's Advisory Group to the National Breast Cancer Centre, and membership of the University of Sydney's Research Institute for Asia Pacific. She is a member of the Sydney Symphony Council, and was the Patron of Osteoporosis Australia.[ |
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 9:22am |
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Well you'd like to think she would get some honorary roles after toppling one of our greatest politicians. Not that any of those are that super impressive (considering her resume). I bet she wished she never left the ABC PT. At least she seemed to have some relevance there. Absolute under achiever. Zali is heading in the same direction
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Passing Through
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 9:30am |
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As opposed to traveling the world taking millions from RWNJ denier groups polluting the minds of kiddies with anti science lies?
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 9:46am |
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When it's occurred beyond our lifetime, it's easy to underestimate the devastation caused at the time.
Black Friday 1939The bushfires of 13 January 1939, known as the Black Friday fires, followed a long drought and a severe, hot, dry summer. Fanned by extremely strong winds, these fires swept rapidly across large areas of Victoria, causing widespread destruction. An area of almost two million hectares was burned across the state, with 71 people losing their lives. Whole townships were destroyed, many sawmills burned to the ground and thousands of sheep, cattle and horses were killed by the intense heat and flames. Three weeks after the bushfires, a Royal Commission was convened with Judge Leonard E B Stretton selected to lead inquiry. The Judge was instructed to inquire into the causes of the January 1939 fires, the measures taken to prevent the fires and to protect life and property. Judge Stretton also investigated what procedures had been put in place to protect life and property in the event of future bushfires. 'When millions of acres of the forest were invaded by bushfires which were almost statewide, there happened, because of great loss of life and property, the most disastrous forest calamity the State of Victoria has known. These fires were lit by the hand of man.' - Judge Leonard Stretton, 1939 The lead up to Black FridayBlack Friday was the culmination of a long, dry and hot summer following a drought period that had lasted several years. Many creeks and rivers had dried up and people living in Melbourne were on water restrictions. Dry heat and hot winds sapped much of the moisture from the ground, leaving forest floors and the open plains tinder dry. Prior to January 13, many fires were already burning. Some had started as early as December 1938, but the majority had started in the first week of January 1939. Some of the fires could not be extinguished while others were left unattended, or as Judge Stretton wrote, the fires were allowed to burn '"under control", as it is falsely and dangerously called'. High temperatures and strong northerly winds fanned these separate fires on the day. The fires eventually combined and created a massive fire front that swept mainly over the mountain country in the north east of Victoria, and along the coast in the south west. The Black Friday disasterThe fires of January 1939 were to be etched in the memories of those involved for the rest of their lives. Flames leapt large distances, giant trees were blown out of the ground by fierce winds and large pieces of burning bark (embers) were carried for kilometres ahead of the main fire front, starting new fires in places that had not previously been affected by flames. A total of 69 sawmills were burned and 71 lives lost. At one sawmill settlement near Matlock, east of Melbourne, 15 people died while trying to escape from the fires. Over 1,000 homes were burned, and the townships of Narbethong, Noojee, Woods Point, Nayook West and Hill End were destroyed. The townships of Warrandyte, Yarra Glen, Omeo and Pomonal were badly damaged. Intense fires burned on the urban fringe of Melbourne in the Yarra Ranges east of Melbourne, affecting towns including Toolangi, Warburton and Thomson Valley. The alpine towns of Bright, Cudgewa and Corryong were also affected, as were vast areas in the west of the state, in particular Portland, the Otway Ranges and the Grampians. The bushfires also affected the Black Range, Rubicon, Acheron, Noojee, Tanjil Bren, Hill End, Woods Point, Matlock, Erica, Omeo, Toombullup and the Black Forest. Large areas of state forest, containing giant stands of Mountain Ash and other valuable timbers, were killed. Approximately 575,000 hectares of reserved forest, and 780,000 hectares of forested Crown land were burned. The intensity of the fire produced huge amounts of smoke and ash, with reports of ash falling as far away as New Zealand. The devastation ended late on Sunday January 15 after rain fell across the state.DELWP https://www.ffm.vic.gov.au/history-and-incidents/black-friday-1939 for more information. |
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 11:13am |
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That's a hard read and it sure rings a bell, history repeating itself with the usual suspect.
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 11:31am |
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 1:05pm |
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In terms of acreage burned the 20 most destructive fires in Australia since 1851 have accounted for over 66 million acres. Of those 20 fires (which each burned more than 1,000,000 ha) six have occurred in the 21st century and the account for 31.5 million acres (so far). That is almost half the total carnage caused by the worst fires since 1851 have occurred in the last twenty years. And those figures do not include the Carnavon fire of 2011/12 (800,000 ha) Black Saturday 2009 (450,000 ha & 179 fatalities) Black Christmas NSW 2002 (300,000ha) Esperance 2015 (200,000ha 4 dead) The Grampians 2006 (184,000ha 2 dead) Canberra 2003 (160,000ha 4 dead) Victoria 2005-06 (160,000ha 4 dead) 2013 NSW (100,000 ha 1 dead) Kangaroo Island 2007 (95,000 ha 1 dead) etc. The point is that while we have always had bushfire catastrophe in Australia it has become more frequent and more destructive in recent times and facts bare that out conclusively.
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 1:06pm |
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Damn the metric system ! That should read 66 million hectares ..
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Here Are Some Illustrations That Show Just How Bad Australia’s Bushfires AreIt's hard to imagine the severity of the fires, so we compare them to more familiar incidents. |
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I am confused by AA's propaganda.
Is she suggesting that those protesters succeeded in stopping the hazard reduction burns and that lead to a bushfire catastrophe ? That doesn't make sense because her argument is based on the premise that the catastrophe happened because the hazard reduction burns did not take place. But there is a picture taken in September protesting the practice which must have taken place for the protesters to be protesting it ! Nutjob logic doesn't work for anyone other than the nutjobs. |
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 1:29pm |
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That's a powerful image. |
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If ever I need further proof, stayer provides it More facts for the rational... Victorian bushfires to exceed 500,000 ha 1851/52 1897/98 1938/39 1943/44 1951/52 1964/65 1982/83 2002/03 2005/06 2006/07 2008/09 2019/20 In other words Victoria has had 7 bushfires over 500,000 ha in 150 years to the year 2000 - and 5 in the 20 years since. Catastrophic bushfire is more frequent and more destructive than it has ever been in the past ... and its all the 'greenies' fault ? |
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 2:29pm |
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Lol very rational
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Meanwhile, back in the real world. What happens when you have a ovt that thinks it is crap.
Government buried climate risk action planA federal government plan to prepare for the dire effects of climate change-related natural disasters was left to gather dust in the Department of Home Affairs for 1½ years before catastrophic bushfires hit last month. The National Disaster Risk Reduction Framework warned the changing climate was exposing the country to natural disasters on ‘‘unimagined scales, in unprecedented combinations and in unexpected locations’’. more.... https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/government-buried-climate-risk-action-plan-20200110-p53qeg |
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 3:21pm |
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Which could also be due to higher population density in prone areas, more traffic (cig. butts), increase in camping & the biggest factor imo is the irresponsible & selfish attitude of the younger brigade. |
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 3:46pm |
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very powerful stats tontonan - even more incredible when you take into account better fire management and firefighting ability nowadays
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 3:51pm |
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Or it just shows that our modern idea of not managing the national parks and state forests properly doesn’t work. Depends what you want to believe I suppose.
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That maybe how a percentage of fires start but it doesn't explain how they develop into mega-fires that burn half a million hectares and more. That only happens with years of heat and a lack of rain which removes sufficient moisture from the forest for such fires to take hold and become catastrophic.
That's the whole point. We are warming. The land is drying. The forest is burning. Whether they start by negligence or arson or lightning strike bushfires thrive in these conditions and can't be managed. The warmer and the drier it continues to be the more frequent, the more intense and the more widespread bushfire will be.
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 4:08pm |
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Nutjob logic doesn't work for anyone other than the nutjobs. [/QUOTE] I dont think its propaganda, but then I am just a nut job, not someone of your intelligence.  I think Stayer,s link shows who the nutjobs are.
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animals before people.
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 4:29pm |
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I was of the thought water would balance dryness out ( it does when I have a swim lol) but my question is , were the conditions in that /39 catastrophe any worse than we are having now and was climate change ever a thought?
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Not sure about 39, but the Federation drought from the mid 1890s- early 1900s was a mirror image of what we’re experiencing now. The BOM has thrown out the historical temperature records but they can’t throw out the written reports of conditions. Everything from weak and then delayed monsoons in the north, extreme heat waves that killed 100s of people and widespread drought that killed half the stock in the country . And of course bush fires everywhere .
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After such a long time I decided to read Dorothea Mackellar's "Core of my Heart , My Country" printed in 1908 in England in one of their papers whilst she was over there and apparently homesick, resonates today the same as a mothers kiss, such a talented lady.
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That is just not true. There is no conspiracy. That is nutjob logic again. The BOM has weather records dating back to 1855 (Melbourne) or whenever weather stations were first established. I am looking at them as I write this. Are you sure they threw the records away ? Or did you just make that bit up ?  |
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