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Baguette
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Perhaps I should have said that the BOM decided the historical records are flawed because of the thermometers they used and they believe some of the procedures in placing the thermometers were wrong. I
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Tontonan
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I think we have already dealt with caldron.pool.com . Direct from their nutjob website... Caldron Pool is a politically and theologically conservative website providing news and opinion on culture, life, family, religion and current events around the world.
It was launched in October 2017 to offer a conservative and Christian perspective on important cultural issues, and to offer a voice for what has been commonly called the ‘silent majority.’ It is our belief that the best way to ensure freedom, equality, and justice for all is for a nation to ground its laws and policies on Christian principles derived from the Bible. Blessed be the fruit... How do they rate ? |
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oneonesit
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Hey Tonto - you wouldn’t be related to 3BM by any chance ?
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Refer ALP Election Promises
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Tontonan
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Yes, you should have. You should also appreciate that the reason they excluded historical data from the Temperature Anomaly surveys was in order to ensure they were using reliable, quality controlled data. It's good science. The anomaly surveys compare annual mean temperature to a 30 year baseline. BOM uses 1961 to 1990. If they compared contemporary mean temperature to a historical baseline (before international weather data collection was standardized in 1948) that baseline would be lower than 1961 to 1990 and the temperature anomaly would be greater and exaggerated. In other words they are deliberately understating the temperature anomaly by discarding the temperature data that may be unreliable. There is no conspiracy. Nobody is hiding the facts.
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Tontonan
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Not to my knowledge. There is no conspiracy.
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stayer
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Did you read the article or just check out the cheesy media bias rating?
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Gay3
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The 3 most reliable models are all in basic agreement with their forecasts, albeit 10 days out.
Hopefully 'they' can't prevent it all getting thru' so fingers crossed for the best case scenario |
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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acacia alba
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Did you know she actually wrote that while living at Torryburn ? It may have been published in UK but if you go to the museum in Patterson, not far from Torryburn, they have a very good section about her , and even tho many believe she wrote it at Gunnedah, and they call it her home town, they have the proof at that museum that it was written when she was living at Torryburn. ( Which is now Torryburn Stud ). They even have a recording of her reciting it. End of today,s lesson |
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animals before people.
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Dr E
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She must be a sheet-carnt of a Lawyer if she couldn't get any clients as a an Olympic Bronze Medalist PT ... She was one of our most bankable and celebrated "losers" back in her day at the peak of her entitlement on the back of her parents money and connections! Good that you acknowledge that she was never serious about politics or the Environment though! ... ouch!
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Dr E
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Maxine was a former ABC left-wing hack oneone ... ideally suited and qualified to one term as an ALP MP - just long enough to be exposed for the dud she was ... typically unemployable in the real world.
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Dr E
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... the fact that Maxine could take John Howard's seat is just proof that when your time is up in politics, your time is up!
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Dr E
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In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT!
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Dr E
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ummmm, because of inadequate fuel reduction measures? ... DOH!
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Dr E
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Well, the ABC are with ya all the way T ... they are as keen as Lying Waleed to change history! ABC deleting facebook posts on how protesters stop prescribed burns “more worried about climate change” than wildfiresCould be a clue here about how the nation got its priorities so screwed?Back in September ABC Gippsland put a story on Facebook about how locals were protesting the spring prescribed burns which were “killing baby birds alive”. The East Gippsland locals managed to stop the hazard reduction burns. We note also that the Forest Fire Management Victoria local manager said that the burns were planned “after extensive community consultation”. Which tells us just how impossibly hard it is to get even a small (tiny) cool burn done. We’re only talking about 370 ha. Sharp eyed Michael Ayling noticed that the ABC deleted this Facebook post below. Most of it is still captured on Google Cache, though for some reason, if you wait on the google cache page even that will disappear soon too. Luckily skeptics with no budget are here to help the ABC and Google Cache keep historic records that may help explain the mystery of how a first world nation created such a catastrophe. It’s probably not the protesters’s fault that she thought climate change posed more threat than bushfires. She probably watches Their ABC. ABC disappears the Planned Burn Protest story? |
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Dr E
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Anyone else trust the ABC?
In October the ABC reported that the planned 300 ha burn was reduced to just 9 ha.ABC reporting on relief at stopping the prescribed burns I don’t know (can anyone confirm) whether fuel reduction at Nowa Nowa, Mossiface and Lake Tyers has been completed by mother nature? Who misled the nation, and who knows it? Feeling guilty ABC? |
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Dr E
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Ohhhh the irony ... you will need to click onthe link to see the faces on the people of Nowa Nowa ... ouch!A week after fires roared in, communities brace for a second dose"So should we stay or should we go?" Fatigued and frustrated, people in the East Gippsland towns who saw fires rip through their communities a week ago are again having to decide whether they should fight or flee. In towns such as Sarsfield, Clifton Creek, Nowa Nowa and Buchan South, which were some of the first places to be devastated by the Victorian fires, some have only just returned to their homes. |
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Dr E
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Did anyone die in Nowa Nowa thanks to those Unhinged "Conservative" Activists who stopped the fuel reduction burns over the past 30 or 40 years, in spite of the Royal Commission recommendations??
How are those baby birds now btw ... extinct yet?
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Dr E
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... and most important Gay ... bigger fuel loads!!! Due to Global Greening, closure of National Parks to grazing and firewood collection and INADEQUATE FUEL REDUCTION PROGRAMS! What is so hard to understand?
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Dr E
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Very pointless you mean ... aren't you wackos saying that fire fighting resources have been reduced in recent years? ... the intensity of these fires - due to fuel loads - make them uncontrollable no matter how many Elvises we have ... Quote: Water bombers do not put fires out. The only thing that Global Warming has done, is made the forests grow faster and larger - the planet is 25% greener as a result ...
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Baguette
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Did you see what the Fire Chief of Balmoral had to say Doc? The village was just about wiped out by the fire. Apparently the local brigade had wanted to do a hazard reduction burn to protect the village but were told not to as the computer models said it wasn’t needed. When the fire defied the computer model and ran through the untouched for 15 year bush they had no hope trying to stop it. As they all said too much fuel. This is just about the universal opinion of the RFS personnel actually fighting the fires as opposed to people sitting at home reading the Guardian and watching the ABC
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Dr E
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Less than 1 degree in 140 years T ... are you saying that there is a magic temperature threshold that makes a difference? Fuel + oxygen + ignition = fire BIG MASSIVE FUEL LOAD + oxygen + ignition = BIG MOFO DEVASTATING DEADLY FIRE!!! ... you do know that you can have a fire in the middle of winter ... temperature doesn't really come into the equation, and less than 1 degree is meaningless. Yes, hot dry weather makes ignition easier. ... but that is AUSTRALIA!!! "I love a sunburnt country,etc, etc, etc" We have drought and hot summers all the fcuking time ... if you are Skool Kid Striker, ask you Grandparents ( your parents are by definition fcuked up already). Wake up and smell the smoke people and stop trying to make a stupid argument that doesn't make any sense other than for the purpose of giving the Climate Alarmists a hard on.
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Dr E
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The BOM has been accused of "manipulating and rounding and adjustment and cherry picking" figures to suit an agenda, but the temperature is not an important part of the equation anyway ... bushfires can happen when the temperature is 20 degrees or 50 degrees - doesn't matter - if the fuel load is large and dry and the prevailing wind is right ... BOOM.
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Dr E
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... but not disputing the truth of the article i see. Good.
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Dr E
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No I missed that one Baguette, but to be fair, it is hard to keep up with all of the REAL FACTS that The ABC and The Guardian and The Fake News Media keep on IGNORING or LYING ABOUT whilst they are trying to INVENT gelati ABOUT SCOMO. Whale will be upset ... I think I may have been on record pace ... so many lies from the crazy deniers of the Climate Alarm Religion that required correction in this thread!!!
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Gay3
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Fran HoulahanCraig Kelly TODAY - 13th JANUARY, 81 YEARS AGO WAS KNOWN AS ‘BLACK FRIDAY’ On this day, Eighty-one years ago (13th Jan 1939) with temperatures above 110°F (45°C) across Victoria and the state in drought, bushfires consumed 3,700 buildings across the state, 71 lives were lost and 5 towns completely destroyed- never to be rebuilt. The Royal Commission into ‘’Black Friday’’ concluded; “There had been no fires to equal these in destructiveness or intensity in the history of settlement in this State, except perhaps the fires of 1851, which, too, came at summer culmination of a long drought. ‘’At midday, in many places, it was dark as night. Men carrying hurricane lamps, worked to make safe their families and belongings Travellers on the highways were trapped by fires or blazing fallen trees, and perished. Throughout the land there was daytime darkness’.’ “The speed of the fires was appalling. They leaped from mountain peak to mountain peak, or far out into the lower country, lighting the forests 6 or 7 miles in advance of the main fires. Blown by a wind of great force, they roared as they travelled. Balls of crackling fire sped at a great pace in advance of the fires, consuming with a roaring, explosive noise, all that they touched.‘’ ‘’On that day it appeared that the whole State was alight.” NB : Every child in every Australian school should be taught about the events of ‘Black Friday’ 1939 to give them an understanding and appreciation of the extreme danger of the Australian bush. However keeping them ignorant of Australia’s bushfire history makes it far easier to radicalise them and recruit them into the Climate Cult. As Orwell noted; “The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.” [url=https://postimages.org/] |
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Dr E
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That commentary could have just as easily described the "UNPRECEDENTED!!! RRRREEEEEEE!!!" fires we have been experiencing recently ... the weather conditions are the same ... DAMN YOU CO2!!!
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Dr E
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Pretty sure that they have shouted down anyone salling for fuel reduction in California ... you should enjoy it - just be careful you don't step in the human faeces, or trip over a homeless person when you walk the streets of the Socialist Utopia ... gotta love Bernie and AOC.
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Dr E
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*calling for
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Dr E
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How did that happen?
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Liquid lunch?
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