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Tavistock
Bay 2005
Montjeu
Bay 1996
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Floripedes
Bay 1985
Top Ville
Bay 1976
High Top
Sega Ville
1969
1968
11-a
8-i
Toute Cy
Bay 1979
Tennyson
Adele Toumignon
1970
1971
1-t
1-u
Upstage
Bay 1998
Quest for Fame
Bay or brown 1987
Rainbow Quest
Bay 1981
Blushing Groom
I Will Follow
1974
1975
22-d
14-f
Aryenne
Bay 1977
Green Dancer
Americaine
1972
1968
16-c
4-i
Pedestal
Chestnut 1986
High Line
Chestnut 1966
High Hat
Time Call
1957
1955
2-o
5-e
Mrs Moss
Chestnut 1969
Reform
Golden Plate
1964
1964
5-h
14-b
Zeditave Rose
Bay 2010
Zeditave
Chestnut 1985
The Judge
Bay 1975
Showdown
Chestnut 1961
Infatuation
Zanzara
1951
1951
16-g
6-b
Bellition
Bay 1962
Bellborough
Addition
1954
1946
21-a
2-b
Summoned
Chestnut 1978
Crowned Prince
Chestnut 1969
Raise a Native
Gay Hostess
1961
1957
8-f
4-d
Sweet Life
Chestnut 1970
Pardao
Vanita
1958
1958
14-c
1-n
Na-Ayim
Bay 1990
Shirley Heights
Bay 1975
Mill Reef
Bay 1968
Never Bend
Milan Mill
1960
1962
19-b
22-d
Hardiemma
Bay 1969
Hardicanute
Grand Cross
1962
1952
3-j
1-l
Christabelle
Chestnut 1983
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Where You Lead
Chestnut 1970
Raise a Native
Noblesse
1961
1960
8-f
14-f
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer4m x 4f Raise a Nativex 5m,5f
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Wonder why she missed the whole of her classic season ?

She is debuting today in Perth  over 1000m as a late season 3yo.

Falsetto is a 3/4 sister to the wonderful Tristanagh who cut a swathe through the spring of 89.


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Tavistock
Bay 2005
Montjeu
Bay 1996
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Floripedes
Bay 1985
Top Ville
Bay 1976
High Top
Sega Ville
1969
1968
11-a
8-i
Toute Cy
Bay 1979
Tennyson
Adele Toumignon
1970
1971
1-t
1-u
Upstage
Bay 1998
Quest for Fame
Bay or brown 1987
Rainbow Quest
Bay 1981
Blushing Groom
I Will Follow
1974
1975
22-d
14-f
Aryenne
Bay 1977
Green Dancer
Americaine
1972
1968
16-c
4-i
Pedestal
Chestnut 1986
High Line
Chestnut 1966
High Hat
Time Call
1957
1955
2-o
5-e
Mrs Moss
Chestnut 1969
Reform
Golden Plate
1964
1964
5-h
14-b
Falsetto
Bay 2002
Zabeel
Bay 1986
Sir Tristram
Bay 1971
Sir Ivor
Bay 1965
Sir Gaylord
Attica
1959
1953
2-s
8-g
Isolt
Bay 1961
Round Table
All My Eye
1954
1954
2-f
6-e
Lady Giselle
Bay 1982
Nureyev
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Special
1961
1969
2-d
5-h
Valderna
Bay 1972
Val de Loir
Derna
1959
1961
5-h
16-c
Attempting
Roan 1984
Try My Best
Bay 1975
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Sex Appeal
Chestnut 1970
Buckpasser
Best in Show
1963
1965
1-s
8-f
Attanagh
Grey 1976
Dancer's Image
Grey 1965
Native Dancer
Noors Image
1950
1953
5-f
4-r
Rebel Gold
Chestnut 1964
Aureole
Bordeaux
1950
1958
2-f
2-i
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer4m x 5m,4m Special5f x 5m    
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Maybe slow to mature (many Tavistock's take forever) or perhaps a physical problem.  Has had a change of trainer too.

Just a bit concerned she's bred to go not 2400m but rather 4800m at Warrnambool, however she must've shown some speed to be debuting over 1000m.

Eagerly await the outcome.


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Barely tested.

She will be winning races. 
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Maybe slow to mature (many Tavistock's take forever) or perhaps a physical problem.  Has had a change of trainer too.

Just a bit concerned she's bred to go not 2400m but rather 4800m at Warrnambool, however she must've shown some speed to be debuting over 1000m.

Eagerly await the outcome.



Not disagreeing as I have limited knowledge in this area but why do you say this?
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Because the 3yo is relentlessly staying bred, and for the most part that simply doesn't work in Oz in the absence of some genuine speed influences.
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they look more like 2000m horses to me, aside from Sadlers Wells 

It’s dam falsetto never won beyond 2100m
It’s sirenZabeel was a miler as was his dam, lady Gissele 
TGrand dam was by Try my Best who was a sprinter
Quest for Fame on the stallions side was a mile & a half at the most



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And Tavistock was a stayer that sprinted. 
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Thanks for an earlier and clearly disingenuous post Shrunk.  It does you no favors.  Dead

That aside, opinions are like...and proof of the pudding will ultimately be in the eating.
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sorry you took it that way. It wasn’t intended 🥴
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Had his 5th start today.

Been out to 1400m just once in his career.

GOVERNOR LANDY (NZ)Bay gelding 2014 
Reliable Man
Grey 2008
Dalakhani
Grey 2000
Darshaan
Brown 1981
Shirley Heights
Bay 1975
Mill Reef
Hardiemma
1968
1969
22-d
1-l
Delsy
Brown 1972
Abdos
Kelty
1959
1965
1-e
13-c
Daltawa
Grey 1989
Miswaki
Chestnut 1978
Mr Prospector
Hopespringseternal
1970
1971
13-c
16-g
Damana
Grey 1981
Crystal Palace
Denia
1974
1973
10-e
9-e
On Fair Stage
Bay 1993
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Fair Salinia
Bay or brown 1975
Petingo
Bay 1965
Petition
Alcazar
1944
1957
16-g
22>
Fair Arabella
Bay or brown 1968
Chateaugay
Locust Time
1960
1955
16-g
16-c
Glory Run
Bay 2007
Exceed and Excel
Bay 2000
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Patrona
Chestnut 1994
Lomond
Bay 1980
Northern Dancer
My Charmer
1961
1969
2-d
13-c
Gladiolus
Chestnut 1974
Watch Your Step
Back Britches
1956
1964
6-a
23-b
Penny Gem
Chestnut 1999
Pentire
Bay 1992
Be My Guest
Chestnut 1974
Northern Dancer
What a Treat
1961
1962
2-d
8-c
Gull Nook
Bay 1983
Mill Reef
Bempton
1968
1976
22-d
1-l
Gemscay
Bay 1989
Maizcay
Bay 1984
Marscay
Corn
1979
1976
4-m
14-c
Jewel Box
Chestnut 1984
Nassau
Betty Box
1977
1973
2-e
13-a
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Am sure djebel meant 25th start.

And yes, quite inexplicable. 
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To be honest, I can understand why connections have kept him to sprint trips. Hes been super consistent in that 1000-1200 range, picking up cheque’s nearly every start. Tony Noonan is a good enough trainer to know if & when to step him out in trip.
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Nice win at Kembla just now

DINADO (AUS)Bay or brown filly 2016 
Toronado
Bay 2010
High Chaparral
Bay 1999
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Kasora
Brown 1993
Darshaan
Brown 1981
Shirley Heights
Delsy
1975
1972
1-l
13-c
Kozana
Brown 1982
Kris
Koblenza
1976
1966
2-o
1-n
Wana Doo
Bay 2000
Grand Slam
Bay or brown 1995
Gone West
Bay 1984
Mr Prospector
Secrettame
1970
1978
13-c
2-f
Bright Candles
Chestnut 1987
El Gran Senor
Christmas Bonus
1981
1978
8-f
9-c
Wedding Gift
Bay or brown 1993
Always Fair
Bay 1985
Danzig
Carduel
1977
1978
7-a
19-b
Such Style
Bay 1977
Sassafras
Regal Lady
1967
1970
8-c
1-d
Lacey Underall
Bay 2002
Desert Sun
Bay 1988
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979
Sir Ivor
Courtly Dee
1965
1968
8-g
A4
Solar
Chestnut 1973
Hotfoot
Brown 1966
Firestreak
Pitter Patter
1956
1953
2-e
1-w
L'Anguissola
Bay 1967
Soderini
Posh
1961
1958
5-e
10-b
Flirted
Bay 1995
Bluebird
Bay 1984
Storm Bird
Bay 1978
Northern Dancer
South Ocean
1961
1967
2-d
4-j
Ivory Dawn
Bay 1978
Sir Ivor
Dusky Evening
1965
1967
8-g
9-b
Miss Nisku
Bay 1981
Nisku
Bay 1973
Northern Dancer
Its Ann
1961
1956
2-d
A1
Twilight Affair
Chestnut 1968
Star Affair
Rose Tint
1962
1957
C6
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 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer4m x 5m,5m,5m Danzig5m x 4m Sir Ivorx 5f,5f
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IN the first race at Launceston tonight....... 1120m unf**kingbelievable

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Fiorente
Brown 2008
Monsun
Bay or brown 1990
Konigsstuhl
Brown 1976
Dschingis Khan
Brown 1961
Tamerlane
Donna Diana
1952
1956
1-e
6-e
Konigskronung
Brown 1965
Tiepoletto
Kronung
1956
1957
2-c
5-h
Mosella
Bay 1985
Surumu
Chestnut 1974
Literat
Surama
1965
1970
7-b
19>
Monasia
Bay 1979
Authi
Monacensia
1970
1969
14-b
8-a
Desert Bloom
Bay 2000
Pilsudski
Bay 1992
Polish Precedent
Bay 1986
Danzig
Past Example
1977
1976
7-a
8-h
Cocotte
Bay 1983
Troy
Gay Milly
1976
1977
1-b
11>
Desert Beauty
Bay 1994
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Foreign Courier
1977
1979
7-a
A4
Hellenic
Bay 1987
Darshaan
Grecian Sea
1981
1978
13-c
5-h
Tabrir
1998
Unfuwain
Bay 1985
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Brown 1954
Nearco
Lady Angela
1935
1944
4-r
14-c
Natalma
Bay 1957
Native Dancer
Almahmoud
1950
1947
5-f
2-d
Height of Fashion
Bay 1979
Bustino
Bay 1971
Busted
Ship Yard
1963
1963
2-s
1-w
Highclere
Bay 1971
Queen's Hussar
Highlight
1960
1958
19-c
2-f
Amanah
Chestnut 1992
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Chestnut 1961
Native Dancer
Raise You
1950
1946
5-f
8-f
Gold Digger
Bay 1962
Nashua
Sequence
1952
1946
3-m
13-c
Cheval Volant
Chestnut 1987
Kris S
Bay or brown 1977
Roberto
Sharp Queen
1969
1965
12-c
10-a
Flight
Bay 1975
Barachois
Bright Merry
1969
1970
4-g
8-f
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He trialled like a big long lopping stayer as well.

Obviously the trial encouraged them to run him over the short trip. #Australasianism throguh and through.

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The dominance of internationally bred runners in Saturday's G1 Cox Plate stings that little bit more for local breeders when you realise the sires of the first four home all shuttled to Australia at one point.

Cover image courtesy of Coolmore Ireland

An unprecedented sweep by internationally bred horses of the top four places in Saturday's race highlighted the enormous challenges faced in trying to resurrect the reputation of the Australian-bred middle distance and staying thoroughbred.

The trend towards European-bred domination of Australia's best staying races such as the G1 Melbourne Cup, has been evident for much of this century, but there was always a sense that when it came to Australia's premier middle distance events, such as the Cox Plate, the locals could still hold their own.

Winx's (Street Cry {Ire}) incredible four-year Cox Plate reign has perhaps masked the trend towards international dominance of the Moonee Valley feature, with the wins of Adelaide (Ire) and Lys Gracieux (Jpn) (Heart's Cry {Jpn}) bookending those quartet of successes.

Saturday's result, headed by winner Sir Dragonet (Ire) (Camelot {GB}), swept away any notion that this race has withstood the influence of the internationalisation of Australian racing.

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Sir Dragonet (Ire) after winning Saturday's G1 Cox Plate

What is significant is that the first four horses home were all by stallions that at one point stood in Australia. Camelot, who shuttled to Coolmore for one season in 2014, was not only represented by Sir Dragonet, but also third-placed Russian Camelot (Ire), while Galileo (Ire), the sire of second-placed Armory (Ire), spent five seasons in Australia at the start of the century, and Henrythenavigator (Ire), the sire of fourth-placed Mugatoo (Ire), also shuttled to Coolmore Australia for four seasons from 2009-2012.

In other words, the quality of stallions which produced those first four horses was available to Australian breeders, and due to several reasons, mainly commercial, those stallions did not have extended stays in Australia.

The success of Camelot's progeny in the Northern Hemisphere - he now has 33 stakes winners including six Group 1 winners - indicates that Australian breeders probably missed a huge opportunity.

"The success of Camelot's progeny in the Northern Hemisphere - he now has 33 stakes winners including six Group 1 winners - indicates that Australian breeders probably missed a huge opportunity. "

Leading bloodstock agent James Bester, who works with Coolmore as a consultant, said that at the very least, Camelot was misunderstood by the Australian breeders and market when the son of Montjeu (Ire) stood at Jerrys Plains for one season for $22,000 (inc GST) in 2014.

"Obviously, he wasn't fully appreciated. I suppose there was a question of that late-season 2-year-old and then Guineas and Derby winner's profile that for some reason or another, appeals less to the Australian breeding angle and then, also, the yearling sale market," he told TDN AusNZ.

"He battled to attract the right quality and quantity of mares in his first season here at stud, and that impacted on the yearling sale returns, which nobody was writing home about so it became clear that it wasn't commercially viable to keep sending him out. That has been a great loss to the Australian breeding industry."

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Camelot (GB) | Standing at Coolmore Ireland

Of Camelot's 33 yearlings sold through the Australian yearling sales in 2017 averaged $90,258, with a median of $60,000, which while they are respectable results for a first-season stallion, were not compelling commercially for Coolmore to bring him back at that stage.

That lone Australian crop, who recently turned five, have hardly set the world on fire, with 47 winners from 65 runners. The list includes two stakes winners, Lord Arthur, a Group 2 winner in New Zealand, and Crown Towers, a Listed winner in South Africa.

From a genetic point of view, Camelot should have worked in Australia. His nicking stats with leading broodmare sires now indicate a strong compatibility with mares by Danehill (USA), and his two globally influential sons Fastnet Rock and Exceed And Excel.

Did Camelots get their chance?

Bester wonders if the Australian-bred progeny of Camelot were suited to the training environments they were asked to grow up in.

"Do those types of horses appreciate our system of being pushed early to get 2-year-old results, I don’t know, but it seems to me that maybe our training and racing pattern doesn't always suit these horses," he said.

"It seems to me that maybe our training and racing pattern doesn't always suit these horses." - James Bester

The success of Group 1 winner Russian Camelot, who was purchased as a yearling out of England and brought to Australia, is a tribute to the approach his trainer Danny O'Brien took with him, according to Bester.

"The Danny O'Brien system is more of a European style system, being at a private training facility, with a few added extras, like beaches and things like that thrown in. Whether taking the 'Australian Camelots' to the racetrack and spinning them around and galloping up twice a week suited them is a question. Maybe it didn't," he said.

"It’s also possible that maybe right from the start, with a lack of appreciation, he didn’t get the best types of mares and he wasn't being bought by the best stables at the sales, maybe that played a part."

Can't argue with the market

In that regard, Bester said the market is very much rigged against those breeders who opt to support shuttle stallions with a middle-distance or staying profile.

"That nature of the Australian market, where we are all looking for that 2-year-old, 3-year-old sprinting type, means breeders are not getting rewarded for actually producing those staying horses," he said. "There is no demand or appreciation for those type of horses.

"I understand that because I myself as an agent or buyer am reluctant to wait three or four years for the horse I buy to hit his straps and start paying us back."

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James Bester admits that he himself is reluctant to wait three or four years for the horse he buys to hit their straps

Another consideration is the structure of the European, English and Irish systems, which is much better suited to the patient approach needed to properly develop these horses.

"Europe has so many owner-breeders, and the likes of Coolmore and Godolphin, where these types of horses can thrive, there is no lack of patience and no rush for a quick return. You look at those great breeding operations such as the Aga Khan, they nurture these horses and get their rewards," Bester said.

"It’s all very well to say that Australia should be breeding this type of horse. But you try and go to the yearling sales with one and you'll come back with your tail between your legs.

"Or you try buying a few of those and wait until they are 4-year-olds, at $50,000 a year in training fees!"

Shopping globally

The lack of quality staying-bred horses being bred and offered in Australia leaves those who do want to source horses for races like the major Cups and Cox Plate to the European tried horse market.

Saturday's winner Sir Dragonet was purchased privately, as was fourth-placed Mugatoo. O'Brien was somewhat of a pioneer in sourcing Russian Camelot through the yearling sales, and that has become an increasingly popular strategy over the past 12 months.

The hope from Bester, in terms of changing the future prospects for Australian-bred horses in some of our biggest races, lies in the market for these European-bred horses becoming too hot, leading to a change in strategy from buyers.

"I think there will be a slow shift due to those European horses becoming too high-priced and that the commercial considerations will tip slightly in favour of our locally bred stayers," he said.

"I think there will be a slow shift due to those European horses becoming too high-priced and that the commercial considerations will tip slightly in favour of our locally bred stayers." - James Bester

"What you have is horses that cost a lot of money to buy, or if they are Aidan O'Brien horses, are basically unbuyable anyway. We have to have horses like Camelot standing here if we are ever going to compete. Hopefully, it will start to gain traction, the idea that you can't just rely on going overseas to buy them."

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It is highly unlikely that Coolmore would bring Camelot, currently building a fantastic record as a stallion in Ireland, back to Australia seven years after he last visited. But Bester does believe he would get the right mares and the right commercial support in the armlet, should that happen.

"Once the market approves of these stallions, it can work. A horse like Savabeel in New Zealand is a great example. He proved that once everybody knows what you are going to get, and you are going to get those Guineas, Oaks and Derby horses, then there is a yearling market for those," he said.

The problem Bester sees is that it is simply not commercially viable to keep shuttling a horse to Australia when the market does not have a proper understanding of his potential.

"You have got a long time off the market waiting to see, and that's the hard bit, waiting for that lag time," he said.

"With shuttle stallions, it costs a lot of money and effort to get them here. It isn't like just bringing a horse in from the paddock and standing him for the season and putting him back out to the paddock again for another six months. You have to balance the time and effort and indeed the money it costs to bring them here, with their acceptance in the market and your likely returns.

"I wish I had the answer for it, because we are losing out on world leading horses of the highest quality, with these Classic producing horses like Camelot."

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Race 1 at Stawell today sees a horse called Silicon Valley making his debut over 1600m.

By Americain out of a Monsun mare - bred by the Bamford family.
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Been scratched at least once including over 1700m.

I imagine he is at least fit. 

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Lady Nelson - Race 1 at Sale today

She’s by Shocking (Melb Cup 3200m winner) out of Prized Lady (dual Auckland Cup 3200m winner).  Full sister to Dragon Storm (NZ Cup winner 3200m).
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This thread's been a bit quiet?

Looks like I'm about to take a small share in a filly my mate bred that is currently at Swettenham Stud. By a sire I really didn't know much about (Ribchester) out of Endaxi (Authorised/Too Darn Hot).

Any comments on the cross appreciated.
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Looks super to me with Ribchester & Authorized sharing many 'goodies'. I always love several dups of Lalun & who could go wrong racing a descendent of the fabulous Noble Bijou/Mellay cross?
I've heard Nureyevs can be a bit fragile & as Ribchester has a double cross, wonder if this may've had to do with him not really fullfilling his potential or rather, the promise I thought he showed Confused

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Nice pedigree imo.  Thumbs Up

Ribchester didn't show his best until 4, and say no more about Endaxi's stout female line.  So don't hold too many hopes of peak performance until 4 also, and will hopefully be placed with a patient trainer.

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Thanks Gay and Second Chance.

Breeder is keeping a majority share and is VERY patient. We raced the grand dam back in the 90’s and from memory she didn’t race until her 3 year old year.

Another mate of ours Guy Walter trained her and she didn’t break her maiden until she got to 2000m. All Mudgee boys. She went on to win 6, 4 in town and a listed 2400m race beating Heart Ruler.

Too Darn Hot was also the dam of Niwot.
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At the other end of the spectrum I’m already in a colt syndicated by Proven Thoroughbreds (Jamie Walter) Guy’s brother.

By Pierro out of Ashleigh. The Pierro’s take time as well - hope I live long enough Smile

Some nice photos/videos on their website.
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Originally posted by Freefall Freefall wrote:

This thread's been a bit quiet?

Looks like I'm about to take a small share in a filly my mate bred that is currently at Swettenham Stud. By a sire I really didn't know much about (Ribchester) out of Endaxi (Authorised/Too Darn Hot).

Any comments on the cross appreciated.

So glad she is a filly. Stunning pedigree.  Ribchester was top class from 2 to 4. She could be anything. 

Unnamed  
Ribchester (IRE)
Bay 2013
Iffraaj
Bay 2001
Zafonic
Bay 1990
Gone West
Bay 1984
Mr Prospector
Secrettame
1970
1978
13-c
2-f
Zaizafon
Chestnut 1982
The Minstrel
Mofida
1974
1974
8-f
9-e
Pastorale
Chestnut 1988
Nureyev
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Special
1961
1969
2-d
5-h
Park Appeal
Bay or brown 1982
Ahonoora
Balidaress
1975
1973
1-m
14-c
Mujarah
Bay 2008
Marju
Brown 1988
Last Tycoon
Bay or brown 1983
Try My Best
Mill Princess
1975
1977
8-f
8-c
Flame of Tara
Bay 1980
Artaius
Welsh Flame
1974
1973
14-c
2-f
Tanaghum
Bay 2000
Darshaan
Brown 1981
Shirley Heights
Delsy
1975
1972
1-l
13-c
Mehthaaf
Bay 1991
Nureyev
Elle Seule
1977
1983
5-h
4-m
Endaxi (AUS)
Bay 2010
Authorized
Bay 2004
Montjeu
Bay 1996
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge
1961
1975
2-d
5-h
Floripedes
Bay 1985
Top Ville
Toute Cy
1976
1979
8-i
1-u
Funsie
Bay or brown 1999
Saumarez
Bay or brown 1987
Rainbow Quest
Fiesta Fun
1981
1978
14-f
16-a
Vallee Dansante
Bay 1981
Lyphard
Green Valley
1969
1967
17-b
16-c
Too Darn Hot
Chestnut 1992
Noble Bijou
Bay 1971
Vaguely Noble
Bay 1965
Vienna
Noble Lassie
1957
1956
14-c
1-d
Priceless Gem
Bay or brown 1963
Hail to Reason
Searching
1958
1952
4-n
1-s
Kiss Me Kate
Bay 1981
Balmerino
Bay 1972
Trictrac
Dulcie
1962
1953
2-h
4-d
Anita Kay
Chestnut 1970
Mellay
Magic Casement
1961
1957
2-i
3-i
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Unnamed  
Pierro (AUS)
Bay 2009
Lonhro
Brown 1998
Octagonal
Brown 1992
Zabeel
Bay 1986
Sir Tristram
Lady Giselle
1971
1982
6-e
16-c
Eight Carat
Brown 1975
Pieces of Eight
Klairessa
1963
1969
3-o
9-c
Shadea
Bay 1988
Straight Strike
Bay or brown 1977
Mr Prospector
Bend Not
1970
1972
13-c
11>
Concia
Bay 1978
First Consul
My Tricia
1970
1974
5-f
8>
Miss Right Note
Grey 2003
Daylami
Grey 1994
Doyoun
Bay 1985
Mill Reef
Dumka
1968
1971
22-d
21-a
Daltawa
Grey 1989
Miswaki
Damana
1978
1981
16-g
9-e
Sky Song
Bay 1997
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge
1961
1975
2-d
5-h
Criquette
Bay 1990
Shirley Heights
Ghislaine
1975
1981
1-l
1-t
Ashleigh (AUS)
Grey 2012
Choisir
Chestnut 1999
Danehill Dancer
Bay 1993
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Razyana
1977
1981
7-a
2-d
Mira Adonde
Bay or brown 1986
Sharpen Up
Lettre d'Amour
1969
1979
5-i
22-b
Great Selection
Chestnut 1990
Lunchtime
Chestnut 1970
Silly Season
Great Occasion
1962
1965
1-g
7-f
Pensive Mood
Chestnut 1983
Biscay
Staid
1965
1968
2-o
8-f
Graceful Lily
Grey 1996
Dr Grace
Bay 1986
Sir Tristram
Bay 1971
Sir Ivor
Isolt
1965
1961
8-g
6-e
English Wonder
Black 1979
Twig Moss
Karroo
1973
1973
1-k
1-o
Hunter Lily
Grey 1980
Hunters Path
Brown 1970
Sovereign Path
Proxy
1956
1962
4-l
2-b
Persian Lily
Brown 1963
Jambo
Persian Lin
1944
1957
9-c
3>
 Ancestor duplications:Sir Tristram5m x 4m
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Thanks Djebel,

I was going to ask you to put up the detailed pedigree but didn't want to impose Beer

He has a knack of using sires who are in their first or second season and has got some value doing that. All of his horses have been from the Too Darn Hot female line and from memory he has used Galileo, Authorised, Poet's Voice, Highland Reel and probably another couple I've forgotten.
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Benalla tomorrow race 2 1200m of course.........

GLINT OF HOPE (JPN)Bay filly 2018 
Deep Impact
Bay 2002
Sunday Silence
Brown 1986
Halo
Bay or brown 1969
Hail to Reason
Brown 1958
Turn-To
Nothirdchance
1951
1948
1-w
4-n
Cosmah
Bay 1953
Cosmic Bomb
Almahmoud
1944
1947
14-f
2-d
Wishing Well
Bay 1975
Understanding
Chestnut 1963
Promised Land
Pretty Ways
1954
1953
14-b
1-g
Mountain Flower
Bay 1964
Montparnasse
Edelweiss
1956
1959
19>
3-e
Wind in Her Hair
Bay 1991
Alzao
Bay 1980
Lyphard
Bay 1969
Northern Dancer
Goofed
1961
1960
2-d
17-b
Lady Rebecca
Bay 1971
Sir Ivor
Pocahontas
1965
1955
8-g
9-h
Burghclere
Bay 1977
Busted
Bay 1963
Crepello
Sans le Sou
1954
1957
16-d
2-s
Highclere
Bay 1971
Queen's Hussar
Highlight
1960
1958
19-c
2-f
Sacred Sight
Bay 2014
Fastnet Rock
Bay 2001
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Piccadilly Circus
Bay 1995
Royal Academy
Bay 1987
Nijinsky
Crimson Saint
1967
1969
8-f
8-c
Gatana
Bay 1989
Marauding
Twigalae
1984
1979
4-i
2-f
Give Me Five
Grey 2001
Monsun
Bay or brown 1990
Konigsstuhl
Brown 1976
Dschingis Khan
Konigskronung
1961
1965
6-e
5-h
Mosella
Bay 1985
Surumu
Monasia
1974
1979
19>
8-a
Grey Pearl
Grey 1989
Magic Mirror
Grey 1982
Nureyev
Turkish Treasure
1977
1975
5-h
1-l
Gettysburg
Bay 1981
Alpenkonig
Goneril
1967
1962
2-n
11>
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m x 5m
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